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Post by philip964 » Sat Sep 15, 2018 9:44 pm

https://www.click2houston.com/news/man- ... police-say

Shot and killed by an armed security guard at the restaurant. Came in shooting so may not have been a robbery.

12:45 am.

Good guy with a gun, ends what could have been a tragedy.

Will be referred to a grand jury.

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Post by Allons » Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:50 am

Thank you Security Guard.
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Post by Lynyrd » Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:17 am

I don't get the grand jury part. BG is shooting up the place. Off duty security guard takes him down. What is there to decide? If it had been an off duty copy that shot the BG would they refer it to a grand jury? If the GGWAG had been an LTC holder, would they have arrested him?
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Post by glbedd53 » Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:22 am

Probably. We are just vigilantes at the OK coral

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Post by WildBill » Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:38 am

Better to have it go to a grand jury than be arrested.
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Post by Ruark » Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:50 am

Hope the guy has some kind of financial backup from his employer. The grand jury process will require legal representation, etc.
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Post by philip964 » Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:16 am

Lynyrd wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:17 am
I don't get the grand jury part. BG is shooting up the place. Off duty security guard takes him down. What is there to decide? If it had been an off duty copy that shot the BG would they refer it to a grand jury? If the GGWAG had been an LTC holder, would they have arrested him?
We elected at Democratic DA due to the Republican DA deciding to indict the undercover reporters posing as unborn baby part buyers from California. They recorded their conversations with planned parenthood here in town. Selling of unborn baby parts is illegal. Planned parenthood even suggested altering the way they harvest the baby to avoid damaging the organs during the procedure (baby might be born alive though).

Republican DA decided that the only crime was that the undercover reporters had fake California I D's which is a crime in California, so a crime in Texas.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/01/25/gr ... ideos.html

So with a Democratic DA I suspect the Security Guard shooting will be presented to the Grand Jury with out charges as a matter of course and the Grand Jury will no bill the security guard. This seems to be pretty standard practice for non police shootings. They could even do it for police shootings as well. I think it is a way of keeping everthing on the up and up. The same procedure could have also have been done with the Republican DA.


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Post by twomillenium » Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:59 am

Lynyrd wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:17 am
I don't get the grand jury part. BG is shooting up the place. Off duty security guard takes him down. What is there to decide? If it had been an off duty copy that shot the BG would they refer it to a grand jury? If the GGWAG had been an LTC holder, would they have arrested him?
You probably want it to go before a grand jury, especially if present to grand jury without charges. A no-bill from the grand jury is much more beneficial than not going before a grand jury. Many DA's present such actions before the grand jury without charges with the intent of securing a no-bill for the defendant.
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Post by WildBill » Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:21 pm

twomillenium wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:59 am
Lynyrd wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:17 am
I don't get the grand jury part. BG is shooting up the place. Off duty security guard takes him down. What is there to decide? If it had been an off duty copy that shot the BG would they refer it to a grand jury? If the GGWAG had been an LTC holder, would they have arrested him?
You probably want it to go before a grand jury, especially if present to grand jury without charges. A no-bill from the grand jury is much more beneficial than not going before a grand jury. Many DA's present such actions before the grand jury without charges with the intent of securing a no-bill for the defendant.
I suspect that this is the case for this incident.
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Post by TomS » Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:36 pm

Good riddance.

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Post by Paladin » Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:05 am

Looks like we have another mass attack incident stopped early that won't be counted in the FBI statistics:
Many incidents with low casualty numbers are not included in lists of active shooter incidents compiled by the FBI, journalists and other groups. The FBI definition requires four (4) people to be shot in an incident. Several of the incidents discussed in Ed’s presentation – incidents where active killers were stopped early – fall below the threshold. (Only studying incidents where responses failed, ignoring those where response was successful, appears to be a pattern with FBI analysis, since they also study incidents in which officers were killed with more emphasis than they place on studying incidents in which officers stopped lethal attacks.)

Omission of that data skews public perception of the issue, such as in this NBC report on the recent Maryland incident, which states that “incidents where school resource officers stop active shooters are rare”. They can only make that claim by limiting their counting to only incidents involving school resource officers, omitting actions taken by off-duty cops, armed citizens, or even on-duty officers that were not specifically school resource officers. While the statement is factually accurate, the word choices illustrate how hidden biases of journalists (or their editors) can shape public perception of an issue.
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Post by ELB » Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:10 am

Good job by the security guard!
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Post by oljames3 » Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:12 pm

ELB wrote:
Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:10 am
Good job by the security guard!
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Post by mojo84 » Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:48 pm

Lynyrd wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:17 am
I don't get the grand jury part. BG is shooting up the place. Off duty security guard takes him down. What is there to decide? If it had been an off duty copy that shot the BG would they refer it to a grand jury? If the GGWAG had been an LTC holder, would they have arrested him?
I didn't see or hear he was off duty. If he was, it may be an issue that he was carrying while not at his assigned duty location or going to or from. If he was off duty and not in uniform, he could have been legally carrying under a LTC.

By pointing out the possible issue doesn't mean I think he should be in trouble if he was carrying off duty. Just pointing it out the potential issue.

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Post by Jusme » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:24 pm

I think all fatal shootings are referred to the grand jury as a matter of course. They will render a decision, and it will be part of the record to close the case. All fatalities, caused by another person, are ruled a homicide. Even if it was justifiable. Since the DA, at least for now, is not seeking an indictment, he should have no worries.JMHO
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