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Re: 5 Officers Shot In Houston - Pray

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Post by bblhd672 » Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:25 am

‘They Did Not Deal Drugs’: Neighbors of Slain Couple Who Shot 4 Cops Refute Official Story
https://thefreethoughtproject.com/they- ... ial-story/
Married couples, who own their own home, have no criminal record, one of whom is an honorable discharged disabled veteran, and who are best friends with their neighbors, do not fit the typical profile of heroin dealers.

While it is entirely possible that this couple was dealing heroin, there is an equally likely alternative scenario that could’ve unfolded like this: police acted on bad information from an unreliable informant—which happens all the time—and then raided the home.

When the couple saw four plainclothes officers in their home—who immediately came in and shot their dog—they likely went into fight or flight mode. Tuttle opened fire, likely thinking he was the subject of a home invasion and Nicholas may have tried to disarm one of the intruders who she thought was trying to kill her.

The fact of the matter is that botched raids happen all the time. As TFTP has reported, there are countless examples of police acting on bad information, going to the wrong house, or responding to bad anonymous tips. All too often, these innocent people are shot, arrested, or even killed and they never committed a crime.

In this couple’s case, the “investigation” of their deaths is now being conducted by the very people who killed them. There is likely no chance of police flipping the narrative and revealing they were in the wrong.
The Texas Rangers should be brought in to investigate.
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Post by Paladin » Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:52 am

bblhd672 wrote:
Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:25 am
The Texas Rangers should be brought in to investigate.
Agreed. With that many police shot and 2 homeowners dead, along with inconsistency's in the story from HPD, an independent investigation would be appropriate. Based on Acevedo's comments, the HPD clearly can not be objective here, and even Acevedo recognizes that Union President Joe Gamaldi went over the top

HPD had 4 officers shot and another injured. This was a very bad day for them. The focus should be on how to prevent another no-knock catastrophe, and that demands objectivity in the investigation.
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Post by philip964 » Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:02 pm

https://www.texasmonthly.com/news/a-no- ... -practice/

No knock raids are a bad tactic. Death, injury few felony convictions.

From Texas Monthly.

White powder was cocaine.

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Post by Gator Guy » Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:36 pm

Paladin wrote:
Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:52 am
bblhd672 wrote:
Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:25 am
The Texas Rangers should be brought in to investigate.
Agreed. With that many police shot and 2 homeowners dead, along with inconsistency's in the story from HPD, an independent investigation would be appropriate. Based on Acevedo's comments, the HPD clearly can not be objective here, and even Acevedo recognizes that Union President Joe Gamaldi went over the top
They should have been asked to investigate from the start. At worst, within twenty four hours. Now too much time has passed. The scene has been too contaminated for an independent forensic investigation to have a fair chance to view unaltered physical evidence. The surviving shooters had the opportunity to compare notes and agree on a narrative. Acevedo and Gamaldi made public comments which make Roger Stone seem tame.

Hey! Maybe we should let Trump lead the investigation of Manafort, Flynn, Stone, and the rest. :roll:
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Post by Paladin » Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:15 am

philip964 wrote:
Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:02 pm
https://www.texasmonthly.com/news/a-no- ... -practice/

No knock raids are a bad tactic. Death, injury few felony convictions.

From Texas Monthly.

White powder was cocaine.
...they enlisted a confidential informant to go into the house and attempt to buy drugs (Acevedo said at a press conference Thursday that police received a tip earlier in January from an anonymous caller, who said her daughter had been inside the house doing heroin and that there were guns inside).
On Sunday, the officers met with the informant, gave him some money, and sent him inside the house to try to buy drugs.
At first the HPD were saying it was an undercover buy. Now admitting they used a paid confidential informant and an anonymous tip. Sounding more and more like a swatting.
Acevedo—who is arguably the most outwardly progressive police chief serving in Texas right now and has been an outspoken critic of guns—called for reform following Monday’s shooting and criticized lawmakers for failing to take action on gun control... But he has not addressed the department’s use of a no-knock raid or the impact that such tactics have on the community’s trust in police.
Other than the cheapshots the Texas Monthly author took at the NRA/Texas gun owners I think the article did a fair job.
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Post by striker55 » Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:43 pm

Is there an investigation?

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Post by PriestTheRunner » Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:15 pm

striker55 wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:43 pm
Is there an investigation?
No... And if there was at this point it wouldn't matter. They have had time to plant evidence, no body cams, and have been able to compare notes and get a false narrative aligned. I'm still convinced they hit the wrong house. I don't think the narcotics officers actually witnessed the buyer entering the house. I think the buyer verbally said Hardy and it was heard as Harding, or the person preparing the warrant request heard harding... Hence the italics around "7815 Harding St" and not the rest of the document or address. The warrant is LITERALLY written as "7815 Harding St" Houston, Tx. I think whomever wrote the warrant request got on street view and looked up the details of Harding Street, hence the accurate description below. Why would you write "7815 clearly legible" in one area of the warrant, and a full description of brown house, tan trim, etc later on in the warrant?

Warrant is still up here: https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/h ... 574924.php

Warrant has been removed from Scrib'd when you open it in a browser.... Wonder why. https://www.scribd.com/document/3985915 ... from_embed

Internet Cache still works.


At this point, an investigation would be useless. The error could have been made at any level of the organization internally, and was probably an unintentional mistake. Either way, two apparently innocent people are dead. As they are dead they will be assumed guilty and the home invaders will suffer no recourse.


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Post by striker55 » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:28 pm

Where is the outrage? If the couple were black there would be marching in the streets. Community leaders would be leading the charge. Am I missing something? Sorry I'm not racist or anti-cop, just saying.


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Re: 5 Officers Shot In Houston - Pray

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Post by Ruark » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:41 pm

I know it shows that house on Google Street view at "7815 Hardy St.," but there is NO listing of any 7815 on W. Hardy Rd. (same as Hardy St.) in the Harris County Appraisal District property search. There is a 7817, which should be the house next to them. There's a 7801, but that's a vacant lot.

FWIW, nothing in there from Art Acevedo, either - guess he's renting. (-;
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Re: 5 Officers Shot In Houston - Pray

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Post by Skooter » Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:36 pm

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In the warrant it’s refers to the individual (Dennis Tuttle) as “a white male, whose name is unknown. He is approximately fifty-five (55) years of age, five feet eleven inches (5’11) in height, and one hundred and eighty (180) pounds in weight.”

Why didn’t they at least do a HCAD property search and attempt to identify who’s the potential owner/occupant? This isn’t definitive; but at least you might have something to further investigate. See for yourself. Click this link > http://hcad.org/quick-search/ and enter the address 7815 Harding St.

This is what you’ll find……
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It’s my opinion that they’re trying to let as much time go by as possible; hoping the attention will dissipate. It’s all about damage control right now!!!
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Post by Paladin » Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:42 am

The part of the warrant that says "to knock and announce their purpose by the officers executing this warrant would be ...dangerous"

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Post by jordanmills » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:02 am

Paladin wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:42 am
The part of the warrant that says "to knock and announce their purpose by the officers executing this warrant would be ...dangerous"

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Well it looks like they're going to be able to bury it without an investigation or anything close to consequences, so it looks like it's working out pretty well. It's amazing how easy it is to make sure that your story is taken as the truth when you execute the suspects on the spot.

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Post by PriestTheRunner » Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:20 am

Per the press conference - They were not wearing uniforms.

So ya, five people (not even dressed as police) busted down your front door for the suspicion of non-violent crimes, and when you tried to stop them, they killed you. Fortunately, there was a patrol car out front so that the victims would know it was police and that car "announced police presence", because, ya know, you can totally tell whats going on outside while your door is being kicked in.

This is disgusting.

What happened to the presumption of innocence?


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Re: 5 Officers Shot In Houston - Pray

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Post by philip964 » Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:48 am

https://www.click2houston.com/news/drug ... nt-complex

HPD and ATF join forces for a drug bust at an apartment complex. Didn't say if there were any injuries.

Why ATF and not DEA?

Money was found. Something that was missing from the fatal raid last week. Meth was found. Something that was missing from the fatal raid last week.

Didn't say if it was no knock. But it was 5:45 am when most likely the occupants would be asleep. Are tactics being changed?

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