BILL STATUS UPDATE: 4/23/13

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BILL STATUS UPDATE: 4/23/13

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Post by Charles L. Cotton » Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:36 am

House Bills Updated:

47, 48, 153, 333, 452, 485, 508, 534, 801, 928, 972, 1009, 1076, 1304, 1314, 1344, 1421, 2407, 2759, 2860, 3278, 3288.

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11, 17, 164, 321, 299, 481, 864.

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Post by RoyGBiv » Tue Apr 23, 2013 1:06 pm

I find this page to be a great scorecard for those trying to follow along.

https://www.texasfirearmscoalition.com/ ... tus-report" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Post by TREKFAN » Wed Apr 24, 2013 2:43 am

I wish we could at least get a baby step with something like campus carry. Even if the schools have the option to opt out with 30.06. Just to pass something and have 1 less thing to fight in the future. UTSA will opt out but will have to go through the trouble to post over 100 30.06 signs. I just want to see something pro gun pass.. =(
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Post by JKTex » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:29 am

TREKFAN wrote:I wish we could at least get a baby step with something like campus carry. Even if the schools have the option to opt out with 30.06. Just to pass something and have 1 less thing to fight in the future. UTSA will opt out but will have to go through the trouble to post over 100 30.06 signs. I just want to see something pro gun pass.. =(
The problem with that seemingly growing sentiment (based on rebellious comments here too) is that if you are a student and even 1 door is posted you'll have a real hard time convincing a Judge that you were not given effective notice being on campus all the time. Effective notice doesn't mean all doors need to be posted, it means action was taken to make you aware. In my opinion, you can bet that the registration process will include effective notice and they may not even post any signs except at main doors that non-student regularly uses.

I do not think it's a good compromise. You give them that and how much harder will it be to get anything changed in the near future? What you'll have with this "compromise" is relying on the school changing it's mind, which means, it's taking the action to allow carry which is a whole lot different that a law mandating it.


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Post by TREKFAN » Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:45 am

JKTex wrote:
TREKFAN wrote:I wish we could at least get a baby step with something like campus carry. Even if the schools have the option to opt out with 30.06. Just to pass something and have 1 less thing to fight in the future. UTSA will opt out but will have to go through the trouble to post over 100 30.06 signs. I just want to see something pro gun pass.. =(
The problem with that seemingly growing sentiment (based on rebellious comments here too) is that if you are a student and even 1 door is posted you'll have a real hard time convincing a Judge that you were not given effective notice being on campus all the time. Effective notice doesn't mean all doors need to be posted, it means action was taken to make you aware. In my opinion, you can bet that the registration process will include effective notice and they may not even post any signs except at main doors that non-student regularly uses.

I do not think it's a good compromise. You give them that and how much harder will it be to get anything changed in the near future? What you'll have with this "compromise" is relying on the school changing it's mind, which means, it's taking the action to allow carry which is a whole lot different that a law mandating it.
Man, see, there ypu go correcting me and making sense. Lol. I had not considered that point of you. Thank you for the information. I just wish we could pass campus carry at least this session.
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Post by JKTex » Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:24 pm

I know, it's frustrating. I kind of thought with Oklahoma passing OC, it might make it a little easier seeing that the rivers aren't full of blood. But it seems that got "supported" to death. Campus Carry was one I didn't have any idea about. To me the issue is not a big deal and I don't see any real hurdles except, the people that think it means kids with guns running all over campus shooting up RUSH parties. The fanatics seem to always make more noise and get more attention.

I can imagine how frustrating it is for someone that's worked on this stuff for so long to have it amended pretty much taking away the intent. I could not do it. :txflag:


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Post by Luggo1 » Wed Apr 24, 2013 3:30 pm

FWIW, Lubbock radio talk show this morning was saying that Whitmire is quoted as saying he will not give the campus carry bill a committee vote. I found that hard to believe, so I did some searching, I believe they were quoting this article

http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/ ... ties.html/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"Senate Criminal Justice Committee Chair John Whitmire said he considers campus carry pretty much dead for the session, due partly to the fact that he refuses to hear it in his committee..."

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“Personally I think we need a cooling off period before we talk about extending the right to carry on campus and other places,” said Whitmire, D-Houston, referring to the killings at Sandy Hook....


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Post by JKTex » Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:32 pm

Luggo1 wrote:
“Personally I think we need a cooling off period before we talk about extending the right to carry on campus and other places,” said Whitmire, D-Houston, referring to the killings at Sandy Hook....
That's typical, trying to sound as if he's being logical. Campus Carry has nothing to do with a shooting at an Elementary school. He just doesn't want it. But then again, I don't think the House bill is worth pushing the way it's hacked.


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Post by HK_USP_45 » Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:12 pm

The problem is there has been a "cooling off" period on this and the other carry bills for the last four years. It isn't like this just came up. The Speaker doesn't want a session with contention so they are bring up the bills that have unamious support or that has backers and the rest don't care either way. They are there to debate and vote but this session will be the "get along" session.

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Post by canvasbck » Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:17 pm

Reviewing the list, I'm reminding myself again today about the speakership=power
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Post by chasfm11 » Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:27 pm

canvasbck wrote:Reviewing the list, I'm reminding myself again today about the speakership=power
:iagree: The best were are going to get is the "crumbs" of what was a very good group of bills. As I said, Strauss doesn't want anything passed that would really advance the cause of gun rights in Texas and that is the way that it is going to be until there isn't a Strauss in charge.
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Post by HK_USP_45 » Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:31 pm

And for additional clues, look who is on the House Reconciliation committee.


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Re: BILL STATUS UPDATE: 4/23/13

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Post by Coogan » Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:53 pm

Luggo1 wrote:FWIW, Lubbock radio talk show this morning was saying that Whitmire is quoted as saying he will not give the campus carry bill a committee vote. I found that hard to believe, so I did some searching, I believe they were quoting this article

http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/ ... ties.html/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"Senate Criminal Justice Committee Chair John Whitmire said he considers campus carry pretty much dead for the session, due partly to the fact that he refuses to hear it in his committee..."

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“Personally I think we need a cooling off period before we talk about extending the right to carry on campus and other places,” said Whitmire, D-Houston, referring to the killings at Sandy Hook....
I am very disappointed to hear this. Sen. Whitmire has a very good past pro-gun voting record. I'm not sure what is going on these days.

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Post by tomtexan » Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:08 pm

Coogan wrote:
Luggo1 wrote:FWIW, Lubbock radio talk show this morning was saying that Whitmire is quoted as saying he will not give the campus carry bill a committee vote. I found that hard to believe, so I did some searching, I believe they were quoting this article

http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/ ... ties.html/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"Senate Criminal Justice Committee Chair John Whitmire said he considers campus carry pretty much dead for the session, due partly to the fact that he refuses to hear it in his committee..."

...

“Personally I think we need a cooling off period before we talk about extending the right to carry on campus and other places,” said Whitmire, D-Houston, referring to the killings at Sandy Hook....
I am very disappointed to hear this. Sen. Whitmire has a very good past pro-gun voting record. I'm not sure what is going on these days.
The "D" between Whitmire and Houston says a lot.
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Post by stash » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:20 am

Well, I guess CC is gone, and OC and 3218 are most likely gone. I sure wanted 3218 to be successful. Maybe I can get elected to my HOA and carry under 3219.
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