Wait 'til next year

This sub-forum will open for posting on Sept. 1, 2012.

Moderators: carlson1, Charles L. Cotton

User avatar

Topic author
tomneal
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 7
Posts: 935
Joined: Fri Dec 31, 2004 2:26 pm
Location: Houston
Contact:

Wait 'til next year

#1

Post by tomneal » Wed Sep 04, 2013 12:30 pm

Ok. It's not next year but the next session in 2015.

Looks like Texas may need something like this:
http://www.state.tn.us/sos/acts/103/pub/pc0275.pdf
for NFA gun owners.
See you at the range
NRA Life, TSRA Life, USPSA Life, Mensa (not worth $50 per year so it's expired)
Tom Neal

User avatar

JALLEN
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 1
Posts: 3081
Joined: Mon May 30, 2011 4:11 pm
Location: Comal County

Re: Wait 'til next year

#2

Post by JALLEN » Wed Sep 04, 2013 1:12 pm

I thought this was going to be an Aggie thread but they don't need to say that anymore. :lol:
Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.


Richard_B
Banned
Posts in topic: 2
Posts: 59
Joined: Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:16 pm

Re: Wait 'til next year

#3

Post by Richard_B » Wed Sep 25, 2013 1:50 pm

Someone ought to compile a list of Sheriffs who don't sign for consideration next time they run for re-election.

User avatar

Topic author
tomneal
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 7
Posts: 935
Joined: Fri Dec 31, 2004 2:26 pm
Location: Houston
Contact:

Re: Wait 'til next year

#4

Post by tomneal » Wed Sep 25, 2013 5:09 pm

It's more than just sheriffs.
The District Attorney can sign and so can your city's chief of police.
I suspect there are others.

I am concerned that Sheriffs and DA's are elected in Texas and I am not sure how much the Legislature can control their actions.
See you at the range
NRA Life, TSRA Life, USPSA Life, Mensa (not worth $50 per year so it's expired)
Tom Neal


Richard_B
Banned
Posts in topic: 2
Posts: 59
Joined: Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:16 pm

Re: Wait 'til next year

#5

Post by Richard_B » Wed Sep 25, 2013 6:10 pm

Your raise an excellent point. Plainly, it would be information many would wish to consider when selecting a candidate to support for any of those positions.

I suppose that a broader brush would be required in any bill seeking to change the authorization from a discretionary one to one where the official must approve the application unless there are specific grounds for the denial, which must be stated in the denial and that the denial be subject to administrative review or appeal to, perhaps, the state Attorney General and subsequent appeal to a District Court.

There are too any political candidates who, in my opinion, slip through the system without adequate detailed information about them being available to the voters. The same would apply to endorsements by various organizations.

Cheers


srothstein
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 1
Posts: 3959
Joined: Sat Dec 16, 2006 8:27 pm
Location: Luling, TX

Re: Wait 'til next year

#6

Post by srothstein » Wed Sep 25, 2013 8:11 pm

Tomneal, the legislature controls the sheriff's and DA's actions all of the time. They wrote and passed the Code of Criminal Procedures which tell them what they can and cannot do. It lays out duties such as a peace officer must arrest, etc. I chose that example because arrests are normally a discretionary item, as is signing off on the ATF forms so it proves that they can pass a similar law. I ebt it would not cause much of a problem other than the initial debate, except for Travis or Harris county (and maybe not even there now.
Steve Rothstein


MeMelYup
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 1
Posts: 1870
Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2010 3:21 pm

Re: Wait 'til next year

#7

Post by MeMelYup » Wed Sep 25, 2013 8:37 pm

We need to start a list foe 2015.


gringo pistolero
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 1
Posts: 741
Joined: Sat Jan 07, 2012 6:49 pm

Re: Wait 'til next year

#8

Post by gringo pistolero » Sun Sep 29, 2013 1:48 pm

MeMelYup wrote:We need to start a list foe 2015.
2015 is too late. Start the foe list now for politicians who talked the talk but didn't walk the walk. And vote against them next year. :txflag:
I sincerely apologize to anybody I offended by suggesting the Second Amendment also applies to The People who don't work for the government.


JKTex
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 1
Posts: 368
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:28 am
Location: Flower Mound

Re: Wait 'til next year

#9

Post by JKTex » Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:26 pm

I just looked at the doc linked to figure out what I'm confused about the discussion, and I got more confused.

Are y'all talking about Tennessee, or Texas. If Texas, how does that doc have anything to do with Texas since NFA is a federal process and we don't need anyone to approve a firearm purchase? :rules: <-- I like that little smiley dude but if he smiled and didn't look so mad he'd get used more. :smilelol5:

User avatar

Topic author
tomneal
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 7
Posts: 935
Joined: Fri Dec 31, 2004 2:26 pm
Location: Houston
Contact:

Re: Wait 'til next year

#10

Post by tomneal » Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:33 pm

It's a little complicated.

In Harris County Texas there doesn't seem to be a Chief Law Enforcement officer (CLEO) that will sign the BATFE required form for a Class III firearm. (Short Barreled rifle, Full Auto firearm, Suppressor...) The form states that the CLEO doesn't have any knowledge that the NFA Applicant is likely to do bad things with the NFA item.

CLEO sign offs are also, difficult to acquire in many locations throughout the United States.

In Texas, folks that want such a firearm create a NFA (National Firearms Act) Trust. The trust requires some paperwork and maybe a lawyer, but it's fairly simple. One could create a trust to include a spouse and/or a child. Then anyone on the trust can possess the NFA item. (One of them still has to fill out the "Yellow Form" 4473 to take possession of the NFA item from the FFL.)

The BATFE has decided that is a hole in their paper work and want's to require a CLEO sign off for each person in the trust. Their process is currently accepting citizen input before the rule changes.

If the rule changes, it will effectively mean that no one in Harris county will be able to pay the $200 transfer tax to get another NFA item.

In Tennessee there are very few NFA Trusts because state law requires CLEO's to sign the forms in a timely fashion.

What I was trying to say with this thread is:
We should push for a similar law for Texas in 2015.


I thought after the Heller decision, we would all start buying suppressors to be polite to our neighbors.
See you at the range
NRA Life, TSRA Life, USPSA Life, Mensa (not worth $50 per year so it's expired)
Tom Neal

User avatar

Topic author
tomneal
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 7
Posts: 935
Joined: Fri Dec 31, 2004 2:26 pm
Location: Houston
Contact:

Re: Wait 'til next year

#11

Post by tomneal » Mon Feb 17, 2014 2:19 pm

My list in no particular order

- CHL's allowed to carry anywhere LEO's are allowed to carry.

- Require CELO's to sign off on BATFE Class III paper work in a timely fashion.

- No-Knock warrants / Dynamic-entry-during-the-night-time warrants. In recent years this seems to have gotten out hand (even in Texas). I am not sure what the solution is but I think it's time to dial-them-back. Maybe requiring on-officer video. Maybe only allowing No Knock warrants for selected felonies. Both Law Enforcement and innocents are dying. Yes, this is firearm related. See: Does Exercising the Second Amendment Invalidate the Fourth Amendment? http://www.ammoland.com/2013/12/does-th ... z2tbmmxaRO
See you at the range
NRA Life, TSRA Life, USPSA Life, Mensa (not worth $50 per year so it's expired)
Tom Neal

User avatar

Wes
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 2
Posts: 885
Joined: Thu Jan 05, 2012 6:02 pm
Location: Ft Worth
Contact:

Re: Wait 'til next year

#12

Post by Wes » Mon Feb 17, 2014 2:31 pm

JKTex wrote:I just looked at the doc linked to figure out what I'm confused about the discussion, and I got more confused.

Are y'all talking about Tennessee, or Texas. If Texas, how does that doc have anything to do with Texas since NFA is a federal process and we don't need anyone to approve a firearm purchase? :rules: <-- I like that little smiley dude but if he smiled and didn't look so mad he'd get used more. :smilelol5:
I'm not sure what's not clear, but they're saying Texas needs a Law like this one from Tennessee. If you don't have a trust you absolutely do need a Cleo to 'approve' the purchase. Many simply do not want to sign off on your NFA paperwork. A law like this in Texas would require them to do so. Therefor, no need to go the trust route.
Alliance Arsenal - Firearms and transfers in north Ft. Worth


steveincowtown
Banned
Posts in topic: 3
Posts: 1374
Joined: Wed Aug 04, 2010 1:58 pm

Re: Wait 'til next year

#13

Post by steveincowtown » Mon Feb 17, 2014 2:47 pm

Goal #1 on everyone's list should be to make sure Joe Strauss isn't reelected, and if he is make darn sure he isn't made speaker of the house.


Otherwise none of the other goals matter.....
The Time is Now...
NRA Lifetime Member

User avatar

Topic author
tomneal
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 7
Posts: 935
Joined: Fri Dec 31, 2004 2:26 pm
Location: Houston
Contact:

Re: Wait 'til next year

#14

Post by tomneal » Mon Feb 17, 2014 3:06 pm

Texas Speaker of the House - It Means Power!
Postby Charles L. Cotton » Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:38 pm
I agree.
So what do we need to do to get a new Speaker of the House?
See you at the range
NRA Life, TSRA Life, USPSA Life, Mensa (not worth $50 per year so it's expired)
Tom Neal

User avatar

Wes
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 2
Posts: 885
Joined: Thu Jan 05, 2012 6:02 pm
Location: Ft Worth
Contact:

Re: Wait 'til next year

#15

Post by Wes » Mon Feb 17, 2014 3:11 pm

Exactly, how do we make sure he isn't speaker again
Alliance Arsenal - Firearms and transfers in north Ft. Worth

Post Reply

Return to “2013 Texas Legislative Session”