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Dot Torture Drill

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Post by Paladin » Fri Mar 13, 2020 11:59 am

Since several forum members have been practicing on these for years, I gave the Dot Torture drill a try:

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The website had a free target download. Enjoyed it. For 50 rounds it lets you try out decent variations of handgun shooting.

Cleaned the 8.5x11 sized target at 3 yards. Gonna try longer distances, time, etc. :cheers2:
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Post by oljames3 » Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:33 pm

Folks who want to me about how to design and rank drills, get a copy of this book by Karl Rehn (krtraining.com) and John Daub.

https://blog.krtraining.com/strategies- ... ning-book/
“Strategies and Standards for Defensive Handgun Training” contains expanded and updated material from essays, blog posts, and presentations Karl and John have produced over the past 5 years. This publication organizes the older material, combines it with new content, and presents it as a comprehensive guide to developing strategies and standards for instructors and all individuals interested in handgun training.

Section 1, Beyond the One Percent, expands Karl’s analysis and thoughts on the challenge of motivating more than 1% of carry permit holders to train beyond their state’s minimum requirements.

Section 2, Minimum Competency for Defensive Pistol, shares John’s updated analysis and thoughts on what minimum standards should be. What skills are essential? What level of performance is a realistic acceptable minimum? Why testing and measurement of skills matters.

Section 3, Drills, includes guidance in how to calculate the relative difficulty level of any handgun drill, comparisons and analysis of many well known standard courses of fire, discussion of the development of the Three Seconds or Less test and KRT-2 target, and a recommended list of 10 drills as a progression of performance level and skill development any shooter or trainer could use to define standards for every level of handgun proficiency.

About the Authors: Karl Rehn is the lead instructor & owner of KR Training. His credentials include more than 2500 hours of coursework from more than 60 different trainers over the past 30 years. His certifications include USPSA Grand Master, IDPA Master, NRA Training Counselor, Texas LTC and School Safety instructor, Massad Ayoob Group Deadly Force Instructor and Rangemaster Advanced Instructor.

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Post by Scott B. » Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:29 pm

I worked Dot Torture, the 5x5 drill, and Vickers' 10yrd drill pretty heavily last year. This year I'm trying to mix it up with some new ones.

This is a finesse drill I created a while back. A tweak of others drills I've seen. I call it Dots 3-5-7 and it consists of 25 shots total. 10 at 3 yards, 10 at 5 yards, and 5 at 7 yards. Hits must cut the line. Passing is 50%. Print on standard letter sized paper.
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Re: Dot Torture Drill

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Post by carlson1 » Fri Mar 13, 2020 4:43 pm

I like that drill. It looks like it would be great to add to your training. Here is a pretty cheap and simple way to accomplish almost the same thing.

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Post by 03Lightningrocks » Fri Mar 13, 2020 6:38 pm

Paladin wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 11:59 am
Since several forum members have been practicing on these for years, I gave the Dot Torture drill a try:

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The website had a free target download. Enjoyed it. For 50 rounds it lets you try out decent variations of handgun shooting.

Cleaned the 8.5x11 sized target at 3 yards. Gonna try longer distances, time, etc. :cheers2:
Your target looks like you did not score a single hit. Maybe try it with glasses on. :biggrinjester:

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Post by Paladin » Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:16 am

03Lightningrocks wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 6:38 pm
Paladin wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 11:59 am
Since several forum members have been practicing on these for years, I gave the Dot Torture drill a try:

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The website had a free target download. Enjoyed it. For 50 rounds it lets you try out decent variations of handgun shooting.

Cleaned the 8.5x11 sized target at 3 yards. Gonna try longer distances, time, etc. :cheers2:
Your target looks like you did not score a single hit. Maybe try it with glasses on. :biggrinjester:
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My new phaser makes very small holes ;-)
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Post by Paladin » Sat Mar 14, 2020 1:09 pm

Scott B. wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:29 pm
I worked Dot Torture, the 5x5 drill, and Vickers' 10yrd drill pretty heavily last year. This year I'm trying to mix it up with some new ones.

This is a finesse drill I created a while back. A tweak of others drills I've seen. I call it Dots 3-5-7 and it consists of 25 shots total. 10 at 3 yards, 10 at 5 yards, and 5 at 7 yards. Hits must cut the line. Passing is 50%. Print on standard letter sized paper.

dots.gif
Dots 3-5-7 delta.pdf
Looks good! I'll try that next. Been getting into the dot drills. Thanks! :cheers2:
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Post by Paladin » Sat Mar 14, 2020 1:10 pm

carlson1 wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 4:43 pm
I like that drill. It looks like it would be great to add to your training. Here is a pretty cheap and simple way to accomplish almost the same thing.

Jerry's a legend!! :thumbs2:
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Post by Scott B. » Sat Mar 14, 2020 7:00 pm

Paladin wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 1:09 pm
Scott B. wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:29 pm
I worked Dot Torture, the 5x5 drill, and Vickers' 10yrd drill pretty heavily last year. This year I'm trying to mix it up with some new ones.

This is a finesse drill I created a while back. A tweak of others drills I've seen. I call it Dots 3-5-7 and it consists of 25 shots total. 10 at 3 yards, 10 at 5 yards, and 5 at 7 yards. Hits must cut the line. Passing is 50%. Print on standard letter sized paper.

dots.gif
Dots 3-5-7 delta.pdf
Looks good! I'll try that next. Been getting into the dot drills. Thanks! :cheers2:
When I'm feeling particularly satisfied with my shooting, I'll break this out to get humbled. :fire
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Re: Dot Torture Drill

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Post by Paladin » Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:36 pm

Did a little shooting today. Took my unmodified M&P9 2.0. Range didn't allow holster, so this was all from the ready:

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Cleaned the Dot Torture Drill at 5 yards.

Tried the Dots 3/5/7 Drill once:
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You can see at 7 yards it took me a few rounds to hit my elevation, but once I found it I was on for the last 2 shots. Looking at the math, hitting a 0.5 inch circle at 7 yards makes me effective against someone with body armor at extended distances (80+ yards).

We should call it the Jack Wilson drill :coolgleamA:
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Post by Scott B. » Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:45 pm

Nice shooting!
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Post by 03Lightningrocks » Sun Mar 15, 2020 5:10 pm

Paladin wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:36 pm
Did a little shooting today. Took my unmodified M&P9 2.0. Range didn't allow holster, so this was all from the ready:

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Cleaned the Dot Torture Drill at 5 yards.

Tried the Dots 3/5/7 Drill once:
Image
You can see at 7 yards it took me a few rounds to hit my elevation, but once I found it I was on for the last 2 shots. Looking at the math, hitting a 0.5 inch circle at 7 yards makes me effective against someone with body armor at extended distances (80+ yards).

We should call it the Jack Wilson drill :coolgleamA:
Much better! Looks like you found your glasses.Huge improvement over that first target you posted. :mrgreen:

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Post by JustSomeOldGuy » Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:04 pm

Re: the video with Jerry. I don't believe he actually missed those shots. I think he threw them specifically for purposes of illustration.... :biggrinjester:
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