Training review for ShivWorks- ECQC

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Training review for ShivWorks- ECQC

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The AAR is a little late, but here it is.


We had some foul weather Fri., luckily we were indoors and it wasn't an issue. We worked the standard fare from the outline ie…. dealing with how BG's operate, movement, learning a little about pressure etc…. Sat. we had perfect weather. We worked on shooting skills in the AM. After lunch we worked on empty hand skills & drills and refined some of the material from Fridays PUC class. We learned WHY movement was so important. Sun. we had some mud, rain, and chilly temps to work with. We learned the difficulty of getting through multiple layers of clothing, in addition to the mental tasking and getting our gun into play. This led some to re-think their clothing choices for foul weather. It was also noted that getting to the range when the weather's crappy, and we're layered up in clothing, would be a wise thing to do. After the lunch break we worked on some grappling and movement as well as some gun retention. We also worked on multiple BG's and had a carjacking evolution that we worked.


We had a really good turnout of new & returning students, some from Dallas, Austin, Houston, and even Kansas. It was great to see repeat students again. They all showed some good improvement since the last time I trained with them. All of the first timers did well also. They showed some real improvement over the weekend. I really like training at The Farm, there's plenty of space to work & relax in and some good food nearby.



A few observations from the class:

Constantly work to improve position- a stagnate good position leads to bg getting traction and a reversal. By working on our position we keep the pressure on and keep the BG reacting to us, not acting on us. In other words we get inside his OODA loop and work to maintain that advantage.

Move quickly to improve position- - Failing to do this, after gaining initiative, gives BG(s) TIME to realize, reorient, and react.
An example would be in the car evolution. GG, averts the muzzle, starts struggling over the gun and stays seated, the BG realizes, "Hey... I'm not getting the gun back quickly", improves position to put more and more pressure on GG. GG gets mashed & compressed still working on the gun grappling. BG gets GG immobilized and can bring max pressure with his body using his legs/arms/shoulder to get his gun back & start shooting or control GG's limbs and start a striking barrage. Nearly everyone that moved quickly to improve position, once they gained initiative, gained a distinct positional advantage that wasn't reversed.

Don't get flattened out - flat back, flat on your bottom, etc.. gets you stuck further in the hole. Losing mobility is a problem that many people faced. Forgetting to use the legs/knees/shins to help make space with the hip escape got people ground into the bottom of the hole.

BG=bad guy GG=good guy
“It is the belief that violence is an aberration that is dangerous because it lulls us into forgetting how easily violence may erupt in quiescent places.” S. Pinker

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Re: Training review for ShivWorks- ECQC

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ECQC1-2, 12/4-6, Bastrop,Texas
“It is the belief that violence is an aberration that is dangerous because it lulls us into forgetting how easily violence may erupt in quiescent places.” S. Pinker
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