Oklahoma CHL saves LEO's life

[A-R]

Unending kudos to this CHL for saving this LEO's life.



Only minor bit of advice I'd give is this:

If you see a bad guy striking a good guy in the head with a blunt weapon ...

- don't command him to stop
- don't threaten to shoot

SHOOT HIM. RIGHT NOW. PERIOD.

Because the next blow to the head could be fatal.

During the chase the two officers became separated. Eller found himself alone when he caught up to Jermaine in a driveway of a nearby home and as he tried to place him under arrest, a fight ensued. During the struggle, Jermaine was able to take Eller’s police baton and then proceeded to strike him over the head somewhere between six and 12 times.

Then during the attack, a witness –who was armed with a handgun– ran up to the two and pointed it at the suspect. He yelled for Jermaine to stop his assault on Eller and if he didn’t, he would shoot him.

The assault stopped, and both suspects were eventually taken into custody.

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[joe817]

The actions of that armed citizen with a carry permit probably saved the LEO's life. Chalk one up for the good guys!

[rbwhatever1]

Good fellow citizen doing what's right. Some folks would have started videoing. Some folks would have walked on by. Some would have run away. Some would have dialed 911. It's always good to read about real men doing what real men do. Stopping evil in it's tracks.

[C-dub]

Unending kudos to this CHL for saving this LEO's life.



Only minor bit of advice I'd give is this:

If you see a bad guy striking a good guy in the head with a blunt weapon ...

- don't command him to stop
- don't threaten to shoot

SHOOT HIM. RIGHT NOW. PERIOD.

Save everyone some money.

Besides, as A-R said, one more blow could be the fatal one. He could get one more blow in if he wanted to before the decision to take the shot could actually happen.

[Keith B]

Unending kudos to this CHL for saving this LEO's life.



Only minor bit of advice I'd give is this:

If you see a bad guy striking a good guy in the head with a blunt weapon ...

- don't command him to stop
- don't threaten to shoot

SHOOT HIM. RIGHT NOW. PERIOD.

Save everyone some money.

Besides, as A-R said, one more blow could be the fatal one. He could get one more blow in if he wanted to before the decision to take the shot could actually happen.

Potentially bad advice.

With someone in striking distance of another person, taking a shot would more than likely be a bad choice as you could hit the victim and not the perp.

If the guy stops when commanded, then you are much better off as it will save a Grand Jury review of the shooting.

[C-dub]

Unending kudos to this CHL for saving this LEO's life.



Only minor bit of advice I'd give is this:

If you see a bad guy striking a good guy in the head with a blunt weapon ...

- don't command him to stop
- don't threaten to shoot

SHOOT HIM. RIGHT NOW. PERIOD.

Save everyone some money.

Besides, as A-R said, one more blow could be the fatal one. He could get one more blow in if he wanted to before the decision to take the shot could actually happen.

Potentially bad advice.

With someone in striking distance of another person, taking a shot would more than likely be a bad choice as you could hit the victim and not the perp.

If the guy stops when commanded, then you are much better off as it will save a Grand Jury review of the shooting.

Of course, there are other factors to consider rather than just blasting away. And this did end well as it is, but it could have been worse if the guy didn't obey the command from a non-LEO.

[jmra]

Another LEO saved by a citizen who refused to just call 911 and be a good witness. Hope there are a lot more like him out there.

[CHLLady]

Amazing story, I'm so glad it ended the way it did and the CHL wasn't shot by back up. I hope the officer didn't suffer permanent damage.

[jmra]

Amazing story, I'm so glad it ended the way it did and the CHL wasn't shot by back up. I hope the officer didn't suffer permanent damage.

Has a CHL assisting LEO ever been shot by backup? I've seen a number of examples where a CHL has saved the life of an officer but never seen a case where a CHL was shot by police while rendering aid.

[mojo84]

Another LEO saved by a citizen who refused to just call 911 and be a good witness. Hope there are a lot more like him out there.

[nightmare69]

I'm pleased to hear there are still good citizens out there that will take action vs recording the fight on their cell phone.

[A-R]

Unending kudos to this CHL for saving this LEO's life.



Only minor bit of advice I'd give is this:

If you see a bad guy striking a good guy in the head with a blunt weapon ...

- don't command him to stop
- don't threaten to shoot

SHOOT HIM. RIGHT NOW. PERIOD.

Save everyone some money.

Besides, as A-R said, one more blow could be the fatal one. He could get one more blow in if he wanted to before the decision to take the shot could actually happen.

Potentially bad advice.

With someone in striking distance of another person, taking a shot would more than likely be a bad choice as you could hit the victim and not the perp.

If the guy stops when commanded, then you are much better off as it will save a Grand Jury review of the shooting.

Good point. I guess I assume it's understood (generally speaking) you never take a shot you're not certain will hit its mark, especially in such close quarters scenario.

[Keith B]

Good point. I guess I assume it's understood (generally speaking) you never take a shot you're not certain will hit its mark, especially in such close quarters scenario.

That's the whole thing; some people do not think about their surroundings like what's beyond their target and the probability of a 'shoot through' of their round passing through the perp . This happens even with LEO's who get tunnel vision when firing at their suspect and forget to consider the surroundings and collateral damage.

[A-R]

Good point. I guess I assume it's understood (generally speaking) you never take a shot you're not certain will hit its mark, especially in such close quarters scenario.

That's the whole thing; some people do not think about their surroundings like what's beyond their target and the probability of a 'shoot through' of their round passing through the perp . This happens even with LEO's who get tunnel vision when firing at their suspect and forget to consider the surroundings and collateral damage.

Agreed. The shooter in such a situation must place themself in position to make an effective shot without collateral damage. Or, leaving the "shooting" realm briefly, the "rescuer" (for lack of better word) must place themself in a position to take immediate and decisive physical action to stop the lethal threat. If physically able, tackling the bad guy like a linebacker could work too - but you better have the skill and physical ability to win a ground fight.

My whole point is that such a lethal threat requires decisive and immediate physical interaction. When someone is being repeatedly struck in the head with a blunt weapon, there is simply no time for words.

[C-dub]

Of the many factors that come into play in a situation like this among what has already been mentioned is whether or not the person actually has the ability to make such a shot. The consequences can be far more devastating if unsuccessful for both the officer and good samaritan. Knowing one's limitations and confidence in the ability that you do have are critical in situations like this.