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Unfair to use an AR-15 against would-be burglars?
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:08 am
by KLB
I just saw a link to this story, though it's almost two years old. An Oklahoma homeowner kills three night-time burglars. The grandfather of one of the thieves announces that the AR-15 made the fight unfair.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/04/0 ... fair-fight
Now, I can't speak for others, but when I encounter three home invaders in the dark of night, the last thing I want is a fair fight. As they told us at Quantico, when you're fighting for your life, forget about fairness and take every advantage you can get.
Re: Unfair to use an AR-15 against would-be burglars?
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:19 am
by surprise_i'm_armed
Correction: the burglars had been to the house earlier in the daytime, then returned later in the daytime.
IIRC, 1 or more of them had a knife. No one was home during incursion 1, but the 21 year old son was home during incursion 2.
Home invasion + weapons + 3 men = AR-15 use is authorized in my world.
It's just simple math.
SIA
Re: Unfair to use an AR-15 against would-be burglars?
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:25 am
by ELB
That's weird coincidence. I put together a post on the original incident yesterday, but didn't put it up until a minute or so ago (see OK: Home invasion goes badly for invaders). Now I see the bleating of the old man (which gives some insight as to why his grandkids thought breaking into a house was no big deal). Instapundit has a link to the bit about grandpa as well. Weird, because this happened almost two years ago.
Re: Unfair to use an AR-15 against would-be burglars?
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:27 am
by Paladin
Unfair? I'd say its VERY unfair to have 4 criminals against 1 homeowner. That AR15 definitely evened the odds.
If we are looking for a root cause, I'd put the responsibility on that "grandfather". He is a horrible person to blame the victim. The criminals knew what they were doing and are ultimately responsible for the results.
Re: Unfair to use an AR-15 against would-be burglars?
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:35 am
by Maxwell
It wasn't "fair" for 3 people to break into a home in the middle of the night; it also wasn't anything close to legal!
They got what they deserved!
Re: Unfair to use an AR-15 against would-be burglars?
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:41 am
by Middle Age Russ
When deadly force is needed or used, "fairness" is not a standard to be concerned with. The concern should only be whether it is reasonable for a person to utilize deadly force or not.
Re: Unfair to use an AR-15 against would-be burglars?
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:06 pm
by Allons
In the end, Schumacher said he supports the Second Amendment right to bear arms but doesn't agree with killing home invaders.
As for the fair fight, they got what they deserved.
Home Invaders!
Re: Unfair to use an AR-15 against would-be burglars?
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:35 pm
by Lynyrd
There is no such thing as a fair fight. Unless you are in a ring and have a referee.
Re: Unfair to use an AR-15 against would-be burglars?
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:41 pm
by philip964
The homeowner failed to treat these unacompanied minor children seeking asylum in his home with the dignity and hospitality they deserved.
Oh sorry he did.
Some lessons are hard.
Re: Unfair to use an AR-15 against would-be burglars?
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:44 pm
by bfm1851
Middle Age Russ wrote: ↑Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:41 am
When deadly force is needed or used, "fairness" is not a standard to be concerned with. The concern should only be whether it is reasonable for a person to utilize deadly force or not.
Re: Unfair to use an AR-15 against would-be burglars?
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:56 pm
by ELB
I guess to make it "fairer" the son could have mounted a bayonet on his AR15 and skewered them.
Re: Unfair to use an AR-15 against would-be burglars?
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:12 pm
by The Annoyed Man
The fight became “unfair” when the burglars (PLURAL) entered the home. Period.
Re: Unfair to use an AR-15 against would-be burglars?
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:14 pm
by C-dub
KLB wrote: ↑Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:08 am
As they told us at Quantico, when you're fighting for your life, forget about fairness and take every advantage you can get.
True dat!
1:1 or 1:10
Fight to win. Fight to live.
Re: Unfair to use an AR-15 against would-be burglars?
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:19 pm
by bblhd672
Unfair advantage? I don't believe it is unfair for the use of any deadly weapon in defense of yourself, especially when there are multiple attackers. Brass knuckles can kill with one strike. I'm not going to stop home invaders and ask for an inventory of the weapons they have brought before selecting the "appropriate" self defense weapon.
The grandfather appears to live down by Denial river.
Re: Unfair to use an AR-15 against would-be burglars?
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:44 pm
by K.Mooneyham
These aren't my sayings, just something I found a while back and agree with. "In combat, there are no rules, always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose." And, "the faster you finish the fight, the less shot you will get." That second one applies to being stabbed, as well.
You know how to not get shot by an AR-15 while breaking into someone's house? Simple, don't break into someone's house.