TUESDAY HEARING HB14 allowing state psychiatric hospitals to PROHIBIT guns will have hearing in Public Health

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TUESDAY HEARING HB14 allowing state psychiatric hospitals to PROHIBIT guns will have hearing in Public Health

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Post by NotRPB » Thu Mar 02, 2017 4:59 pm

H Scheduled for public hearing on . . . 03/07/2017

HB 14 from Rep. Murr allowing state psychiatric hospitals to prohibit guns will have hearing in Public Health on Tuesday.
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http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/BillLook ... &Bill=HB14

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Post by Charles L. Cotton » Thu Mar 02, 2017 10:33 pm

This is the preferred bill to deal with carrying in specific state mental hospitals. HB14 creates a civil penalty where the other bill(s) create a criminal offense. One of the bills is grossly overly-broad and will include far more than state mental hospitals.

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Post by warnmar10 » Fri Mar 03, 2017 5:13 am

Why is HB14 needed? What is the deficiency in existing law HB14 will correct?

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Post by Liberty » Fri Mar 03, 2017 7:23 am

warnmar10 wrote:Why is HB14 needed? What is the deficiency in existing law HB14 will correct?
State or county facilities that have lock downs could not legally post 30.06/30.07 Most people understand that carrying a gun into a psychiatric facility is a bad idea.
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Post by nightmare69 » Fri Mar 03, 2017 7:46 am

Liberty wrote:
warnmar10 wrote:Why is HB14 needed? What is the deficiency in existing law HB14 will correct?
State or county facilities that have lock downs could not legally post 30.06/30.07 Most people understand that carrying a gun into a psychiatric facility is a bad idea.
UT health northeast in Tyler has a 3 psych floors. It's set up like a jail with lock boxes just outside the unit for peace officers to secure their weapons.
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Post by Charles L. Cotton » Fri Mar 03, 2017 2:21 pm

warnmar10 wrote:Why is HB14 needed? What is the deficiency in existing law HB14 will correct?
In addition to what Liberty posted, no state hospitals are licensed. Therefore, the prohibition in TPC §46.035(b)(4) that applies only to licensed hospitals does not apply to state hospitals, including state mental hospitals. This means those hospitals cannot post TPC §30.06 signs without violating "Fines for Signs." HB14, unlike other versions, applies only to the ten specific state mental hospitals.

Remember, private hospitals, whether mental hospitals or otherwise, are not subject to "Fines for Signs," so HB14 will have no impact.

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Post by The Annoyed Man » Fri Mar 03, 2017 3:29 pm

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warnmar10 wrote:Why is HB14 needed? What is the deficiency in existing law HB14 will correct?
In addition to what Liberty posted, no state hospitals are licensed. Therefore, the prohibition in TPC §46.035(b)(4) that applies only to licensed hospitals does not apply to state hospitals, including state mental hospitals. This means those hospitals cannot post TPC §30.06 signs without violating "Fines for Signs." HB14, unlike other versions, applies only to the ten specific state mental hospitals.

Remember, private hospitals, whether mental hospitals or otherwise, are not subject to "Fines for Signs," so HB14 will have no impact.

Chas.
Thank you for that explanation. I was wondering too......a hospital is a hospital, right? I didn't realize that this applied specifically to state-owned facilities.
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Post by NotRPB » Fri Mar 03, 2017 5:38 pm

Charles L. Cotton wrote:This is the preferred bill to deal with carrying in specific state mental hospitals. HB14 creates a civil penalty where the other bill(s) create a criminal offense. One of the bills is grossly overly-broad and will include far more than state mental hospitals.

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Skiprr wrote:That we have Charles Cotton watching out for us in the Texas Legislature,,,priceless.
:iagree:
I FIRST was against it , until I read the bill and read Charles' logic on it.
I understand the bill, I understand the FOR Stance reasons
I agree, and will watch some Dems try to pile on amendments on the floor and pray our Pro-2A elected officials stand firm on another bill regarding "places".
So far, after brief glance at all bills, I'm really only concerned with "more Places" (AND defeating all anti-2A bills that make it to hearings)

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Post by ScottDLS » Fri Mar 03, 2017 5:45 pm

:iagree:

To paraphrase (badly) John Kerry, I was FOR it, before I was AGAINST it.
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Post by Ruark » Fri Mar 03, 2017 7:13 pm

I worked at Austin State Hospital for 5 years back in my college years, and let me tell you, I would NOT want a firearm anywhere near that place.
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Post by NotRPB » Tue Mar 07, 2017 9:08 am

WATCH NOW: House Public Health Committee to discuss HB 14 related to carrying handguns in state hospitals. http://tlchouse.granicus.com/MediaPlaye ... nt_id=2650
http://bit.ly/WatchHouseLive http://www.house.state.tx.us/video-audio/

If not interested in that,

HB421 in Progress

If not interested in that,

the "Bathroom Bill" is at the same time in Senate hearing. http://www.senate.texas.gov/av-live.php


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Post by Ipconfig » Wed Mar 08, 2017 2:54 pm

nightmare69 wrote:
Liberty wrote:
warnmar10 wrote:Why is HB14 needed? What is the deficiency in existing law HB14 will correct?
State or county facilities that have lock downs could not legally post 30.06/30.07 Most people understand that carrying a gun into a psychiatric facility is a bad idea.
UT health northeast in Tyler has a 3 psych floors. It's set up like a jail with lock boxes just outside the unit for peace officers to secure their weapons.

And its posted 30.06 for A building. So non LEO couldn't even enter the building.

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