HB435 Volunteer Emergency Svces Carrying

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Re: HB435 Volunteer Emergency Svces Carrying

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Post by Charles L. Cotton » Thu May 25, 2017 8:14 am

I don't have the full amendment, but it appears that the mental hospital language added in floor amendment 1 was from HB14. However, it also appears to allow the Attorney General, U.S. Attorney and assistant U.S. Attorneys with an LTC to carry everywhere a LEO can carry. Again, I cannot see the entire floor amendment and I can't find anything on the second floor amendment.

While the mental hospital provision should not be a problem in concept,it is not germane and someone in the House may well call a point-of-order. However, the provision allowing yet more select LTCs to carry everywhere is precisely why the House refused to concur with Senate changes to HB508 in 2013. This killed the bill. HB435 may suffer the same fate, as well it should.

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Post by SRO1911 » Thu May 25, 2017 8:28 am

http://tlcsenate.granicus.com/MediaPlay ... p_id=12663

Sb1807 and hb14 - it comes up at 1hr 55min
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Post by ScottDLS » Thu May 25, 2017 8:33 am

Doesn't the federal government decide if they wish to authorize US Attorneys and AUSA's to carry or not? If they don't already authorize it, why a carve out for Texas? If they do, I could understand legalizing under state law. And the Attorney General of the United States? Really? Why not POTUS?
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Post by RoyGBiv » Thu May 25, 2017 9:10 am

Watching the video, Huffman was talking only about reducing fees for LTC for those attorneys...
Reading SB 1807, Senate engrossed, it clearly adds Chapter 46 (46.02, 46.03 and 46.035) exemptions that Senator Huffman did not mention yesterday.
http://www.legis.state.tx.us/BillLookup ... ill=SB1807

The second amendment was adding HB 14 regarding Psych hospitals by adding notice similar to 30.06 but referencing 552.002.
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Post by Charles L. Cotton » Thu May 25, 2017 9:19 am

ScottDLS wrote:Doesn't the federal government decide if they wish to authorize US Attorneys and AUSA's to carry or not? If they don't already authorize it, why a carve out for Texas? If they do, I could understand legalizing under state law. And the Attorney General of the United States? Really? Why not POTUS?
To my knowledge, U.S. attorneys and assist U.S. attorneys are not federal law enforcement agents, so they cannot be authorized to carry firearms. (I may be wrong.) The AG added to the Bill is the Texas AG, not U.S. Attny. Gen.

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Post by TexasJohnBoy » Thu May 25, 2017 9:27 am

Charles L. Cotton wrote:I don't have the full amendment, but it appears that the mental hospital language added in floor amendment 1 was from HB14. However, it also appears to allow the Attorney General, U.S. Attorney and assistant U.S. Attorneys with an LTC to carry everywhere a LEO can carry. Again, I cannot see the entire floor amendment and I can't find anything on the second floor amendment.

While the mental hospital provision should not be a problem in concept, it is not germane and someone in the House may well call a point-of-order. However, the provision allowing yet more select LTCs to carry everywhere is precisely why the House refused to concur with Senate changes to HB508 in 2013. This killed the bill. HB435 may suffer the same fate, as well it should.

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Could the House call for a conference to hash it out and still keep it alive, or would a point-of-order terminate the bill completely/immediately?
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Post by Charles L. Cotton » Thu May 25, 2017 9:31 am

TexasJohnBoy wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:I don't have the full amendment, but it appears that the mental hospital language added in floor amendment 1 was from HB14. However, it also appears to allow the Attorney General, U.S. Attorney and assistant U.S. Attorneys with an LTC to carry everywhere a LEO can carry. Again, I cannot see the entire floor amendment and I can't find anything on the second floor amendment.

While the mental hospital provision should not be a problem in concept, it is not germane and someone in the House may well call a point-of-order. However, the provision allowing yet more select LTCs to carry everywhere is precisely why the House refused to concur with Senate changes to HB508 in 2013. This killed the bill. HB435 may suffer the same fate, as well it should.

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Could the House call for a conference to hash it out and still keep it alive, or would a point-of-order terminate the bill completely/immediately?
The House has three options. They can concur with the amendments meaning the Bill has passed and goes to the Governor. They can refuse to concur and request a conference committee to try to work out a compromise. If they do, then the Bill goes back to the House and Senate for an up or down vote. The third option is a point-of-order that will kill the Bill if it is sustained. There wouldn't be enough time to send it back to committee to fix it in both bodies.

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Post by bigtek » Thu May 25, 2017 5:08 pm

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Re: HB435 Volunteer Emergency Svces Carrying

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Post by TreyHouston » Fri May 26, 2017 9:16 am

any update on this? says on the site that it passed 3rd reading,
then: Senate passage as amended reported
then: Senate Amendments distributed

can anyone translate to english?
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Post by Papa_Tiger » Fri May 26, 2017 9:37 am

You can now read the Senate amendments (Senate Amendments distributed).

It is in the House's hands now and they have the three options that Charles mentioned above.


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Post by greyjack » Fri May 26, 2017 12:22 pm

Papa_Tiger wrote:You can now read the Senate amendments (Senate Amendments distributed).
If I read that correctly, I can form a volunteer militia, and the members will be exempt from 30.06 all the time, but only exempt from 46.03 and 46.035 when the Homeland Security Advisory System threat level is not Green.


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Re: HB435 Volunteer Emergency Svces Carrying

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Post by RossA » Fri May 26, 2017 12:33 pm

greyjack wrote:
Papa_Tiger wrote: If I read that correctly, I can form a volunteer militia, and the members will be exempt from 30.06 all the time, but only exempt from 46.03 and 46.035 when the Homeland Security Advisory System threat level is not Green.
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Post by SewTexas » Fri May 26, 2017 12:34 pm

my guess, in the mood the house is in right now....they will not concur.
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Re: HB435 Volunteer Emergency Svces Carrying

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Post by parabelum » Fri May 26, 2017 1:05 pm

My guess is that the House members know that the wrath of the electorate will be upon them if more pro 2A bills are not pushed through in this session. There are no excuses.

I know that personally, I've put pressure on as much as I could, and I know that the staff know darn well that we are watching this unfold carefully.

My supposition is that had we been silent, this bill would have been dead awhile back.

Many thanks to all members and staff who are listening to the will of the people. Do the right thing.
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Re: HB435 Volunteer Emergency Svces Carrying

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Post by SewTexas » Fri May 26, 2017 1:10 pm

well, color me shocked, they concurred.
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