HB1911: Rep. White's Press Release

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Re: HB1911: Rep. White's Press Release

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Post by NotRPB » Tue Mar 28, 2017 5:07 pm

treadlightly wrote:Kory Watkins up in a moment. That will be about as much as I can take. I'm sure I'll be able to shut off the live stream then.
That interchange was actually funny between him and Pancho and back
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Re: HB1911: Rep. White's Press Release

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Post by Flightmare » Tue Mar 28, 2017 5:10 pm

Ruark wrote: One erroneous claim that being frequently made is that it removes the background check as a safety measure. It doesn't. You still need an FBI background check to buy your gun in the first place.
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Post by Soccerdad1995 » Tue Mar 28, 2017 6:10 pm

I've been watching this all afternoon. It seems to be coming down to emotion and speculation (against) versus logic and facts (for).
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Re: HB1911: Rep. White's Press Release

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Post by locke_n_load » Tue Mar 28, 2017 6:34 pm

Also about 80% for/20% Constitutional Carry.
Gotta hand it to Texas Carry and OCT, they brought numbers. Haven't seen it so lopsided in quite some time (pretty much never).
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Re: HB1911: Rep. White's Press Release

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Post by NotRPB » Tue Mar 28, 2017 6:39 pm

HB1911 (yes 1911) #ConstitutionalCarry http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/BillLook ... ill=HB1911 <Bill Text | Video Feed http://tlchouse.granicus.com/MediaPlaye ... nt_id=2849 #TxLege #2A #RKBA #GunRights

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Post by Stripes Dude » Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:37 pm

So what's the solve for federal statute that requires a CHl from the resident state to legally pass through a school zone? Are we supposed to ignore this?

Wish the powers that be who are involved in this constitutional carry fight would address this. They all seem to be missing this very important fact.

My neighborhood is surrounded by school zones. I won't be able to leave the house if I don't have a Chl even if constitutional carry passes.

This needs addressed or this is a moot law for many people...unless you're willing to drive around avoiding school zones.

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Post by G.A. Heath » Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:43 pm

Stripes Dude wrote:So what's the solve for federal statute that requires a CHl from the resident state to legally pass through a school zone? Are we supposed to ignore this?

Wish the powers that be who are involved in this constitutional carry fight would address this. They all seem to be missing this very important fact.

My neighborhood is surrounded by school zones. I won't be able to leave the house if I don't have a Chl even if constitutional carry passes.

This needs addressed or this is a moot law for many people...unless you're willing to drive around avoiding school zones.
This is a flaw with unlicensed carry and federal law. To fix this issue you would have to go to the federal level and correct the problem there.
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Re: HB1911: Rep. White's Press Release

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Post by Lambda Force » Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:45 pm

Stripes Dude wrote:So what's the solve for federal statute that requires a CHl from the resident state to legally pass through a school zone? Are we supposed to ignore this?
1. GFSZA requires a license from the state the school is in, not a resident license.
2. MPA already opened that can of worms.
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Re: HB1911: Rep. White's Press Release

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Post by Stripes Dude » Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:51 pm

Lambda Force wrote:
Stripes Dude wrote:So what's the solve for federal statute that requires a CHl from the resident state to legally pass through a school zone? Are we supposed to ignore this?
1. GFSZA requires a license from the state the school is in, not a resident license.
2. MPA already opened that can of worms.
Ok, I stand corrected. Makes absolutely no difference. Still illegal federally. MPA was step one, constitutional carry is step two of going down the path of not dealing with the bigger issue.

If the bill authors were smart, they'd prohibit state LEO from bringing charges if carrying under constitutional carry in a school zone, unless much grater crimes are simultaneously being committed.

Still doesn't solve the problem though.


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Post by Stripes Dude » Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:54 pm

G.A. Heath wrote:This is a flaw with unlicensed carry and federal law. To fix this issue you would have to go to the federal level and correct the problem there.
I'll get excited about this when that is dealt with.

At minimum, we need an unofficial mandate to federal LEO like what was done in the pot legalization states (don't arrest for pot possession).

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Post by Lambda Force » Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:59 pm

It would be nice if they repealed GFSZA but those bozos couldn't even repeal Obamacare.
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Re: HB1911: Rep. White's Press Release

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Post by treadlightly » Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:34 pm

I was pleasantly surprised to see Kory Watkins so well behaved, but then he compared his Glock, subject to licensed carry, to his AK47, which he said he carried all over the place with a full magazine and a round in the chamber.

Pardon me for being a prude, but I would never carry any weapon, rifle or pistol, with or without a safety, with a round in the chamber unless the gun was holstered with the trigger fully shrouded. An AK on a sling with a round in the chamber while contra dancing the aisles at Home Depot? No thanks. A properly holstered pistol with a protected trigger and a chambered round? Sure. No reason not to.

Up to the point he mentioned his hot AK, I thought he was almost reasonable.

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Re: HB1911: Rep. White's Press Release

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Post by RogueUSMC » Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:05 am

treadlightly wrote:I was pleasantly surprised to see Kory Watkins so well behaved, but then he compared his Glock, subject to licensed carry, to his AK47, which he said he carried all over the place with a full magazine and a round in the chamber.

Pardon me for being a prude, but I would never carry any weapon, rifle or pistol, with or without a safety, with a round in the chamber unless the gun was holstered with the trigger fully shrouded. An AK on a sling with a round in the chamber while contra dancing the aisles at Home Depot? No thanks. A properly holstered pistol with a protected trigger and a chambered round? Sure. No reason not to.

Up to the point he mentioned his hot AK, I thought he was almost reasonable.
All my guns are hot...not that I carry my rifles in walmart but...if I WERE to carry my AR in the walmart, the chamber WOULD be occupied. Not a fan of Kory Watkins. One reason being that he says things that should be left unsaid. What he said served no point in regards tp chambered or not chambered. The law does not, in any way, differentiate a loaded gun from an unloaded one...irrelevant to the discussion...
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Re: HB1911: Rep. White's Press Release

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Post by Soccerdad1995 » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:12 am

RogueUSMC wrote:
treadlightly wrote:I was pleasantly surprised to see Kory Watkins so well behaved, but then he compared his Glock, subject to licensed carry, to his AK47, which he said he carried all over the place with a full magazine and a round in the chamber.

Pardon me for being a prude, but I would never carry any weapon, rifle or pistol, with or without a safety, with a round in the chamber unless the gun was holstered with the trigger fully shrouded. An AK on a sling with a round in the chamber while contra dancing the aisles at Home Depot? No thanks. A properly holstered pistol with a protected trigger and a chambered round? Sure. No reason not to.

Up to the point he mentioned his hot AK, I thought he was almost reasonable.
All my guns are hot...not that I carry my rifles in walmart but...if I WERE to carry my AR in the walmart, the chamber WOULD be occupied. Not a fan of Kory Watkins. One reason being that he says things that should be left unsaid. What he said served no point in regards tp chambered or not chambered. The law does not, in any way, differentiate a loaded gun from an unloaded one...irrelevant to the discussion...
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I won't carry an unloaded gun. I also don't typically carry an AK, but if I did, it would have a round in the chamber.

I also agree that it was counter-productive for him to mention that specific fact in his testimony.
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Re: HB1911: Rep. White's Press Release

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Post by treadlightly » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:38 am

Whoops, I didn't mean to divert the thread, I only meant to comment on counterproductive testimony.

My apologies!

Here's to gun freedom in all forms for law abiding citizens.

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