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Repeal the 2nd Amendment

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 6:59 am
by mojo84
http://nytimes.com/2018/03/27/opinion/j ... cceS?amp=1
That support is a clear sign to lawmakers to enact legislation prohibiting civilian ownership of semiautomatic weapons, increasing the minimum age to buy a gun from 18 to 21 years old, and establishing more comprehensive background checks on all purchasers of firearms. But the demonstrators should seek more effective and more lasting reform. They should demand a repeal of the Second Amendment.

Re: Repeal the 2nd Amendment

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:13 am
by bblhd672
A march of an estimated 200,000, which is considered about average in Washington, is a clear sign?

Millions have marched in Washington to end abortion yet the practice continues to end the lives of thousands of unborn children every week.

Re: Repeal the 2nd Amendment

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:53 am
by Middle Age Russ
... but we must do something for public safety -- for the kids!! The hew and cry continues -- in the names of the children to elicit a more favorable response and shut down fact-based dialog and debate. The arguments to deny rights and limit Liberty for "public safety" are those of tyrants and dictators. Truly well educated people understand such lessons from history. Alas, we live in an age of indoctrination rather than education.

Re: Repeal the 2nd Amendment

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:53 am
by flowrie
I’m sure happy JPS is no longer on the Supreme Court.

Re: Repeal the 2nd Amendment

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:17 am
by chasfm11
The part of the article attacking the NRA was the most troubling. It is though the organization is somehow an unrelated, unconstrained entity.

I would like to ask the former justice a few questions.
1. What makes the NRA so powerful? If you believe that power to be financial, how does it relate to all of the other special interest groups around D.C.?
2. Where did the money come from for all of the buses that brought the crowds in the "March for Life" to D.C. Who organized it? Do you believe that the kids involved had the means to do either the organizing or the financing on their own?
3. Why were the other students from the same school whose sentiments didn't match the march organizers rejected from speaking?
4. Why was Prohibition repealed? By all accounts, it was founded on the best of intentions and the problems that it supposedly addressed are still problems today. Why didn't banning alcohol solve them?

Re: Repeal the 2nd Amendment

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:42 am
by RoyGBiv
Worth noting that Stevens was nominated to the Court in 1975 by REPUBLICAN Gerald Ford.

Nice vetting Gerry. :grumble

Re: Repeal the 2nd Amendment

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:44 am
by AndyC
Is there a listing anywhere of any politician's total donations from lobbyists? I'd like to see how their NRA money stacks up against all the others, because I'm really tired of hearing that "they've been bought off by the NRA" when I'm sure that's just a drop in the bucket versus other huge contributions.

Re: Repeal the 2nd Amendment

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:49 am
by bblhd672
AndyC wrote:Is there a listing anywhere of any politician's total donations from lobbyists? I'd like to see how their NRA money stacks up against all the others, because I'm really tired of hearing that "they've been bought off by the NRA" when I'm sure that's just a drop in the bucket versus other huge contributions.
I've been wondering the same thing. When you see so and so person received $30,000 from the NRA, how does that amount relate to the amount of money received from other special interests?

Re: Repeal the 2nd Amendment

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:05 am
by mojo84
Spend some time checking out this website. It gives quite a bit of insight into lobbying and donations.

https://www.opensecrets.org/influence/

Re: Repeal the 2nd Amendment

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:08 am
by SQLGeek
I'm glad the gun grabbers are getting more emboldened. It verifies what we have been saying all along. They can quit hiding behind the phrase "nobody wants to take your guns" because it is patently untrue. I know I sound like a broken record at this point.

I love how ridiculous the argument is that the 2nd A is outdated because it grants the right to the state to keep arms. In the Bill of Rights, meant to constrain the government, the 2nd is the only collective right present that empowers the government. The intellectual dishonesty required to make that argument is astounding.

Re: Repeal the 2nd Amendment

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:28 am
by Syntyr
AndyC wrote:Is there a listing anywhere of any politician's total donations from lobbyists? I'd like to see how their NRA money stacks up against all the others, because I'm really tired of hearing that "they've been bought off by the NRA" when I'm sure that's just a drop in the bucket versus other huge contributions.
I will try to source it for you but if I remember correctly:

Planned Parenthood had spent nearly $50 million on elections and lobbying since 2012. Meanwhile the NRA has spent $13 million on lobbying efforts since 1998.

Re: Repeal the 2nd Amendment

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:36 am
by mojo84
AndyC wrote:Is there a listing anywhere of any politician's total donations from lobbyists? I'd like to see how their NRA money stacks up against all the others, because I'm really tired of hearing that "they've been bought off by the NRA" when I'm sure that's just a drop in the bucket versus other huge contributions.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/indexpe ... =C90013301

Re: Repeal the 2nd Amendment

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:39 am
by mojo84
Planned Parenthood

Notice how they have multiple entities which makes it challenging to get totals.

https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup.php

Re: Repeal the 2nd Amendment

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:42 am
by Soccerdad1995
Middle Age Russ wrote:... but we must do something for public safety -- for the kids!! The hew and cry continues -- in the names of the children to elicit a more favorable response and shut down fact-based dialog and debate. The arguments to deny rights and limit Liberty for "public safety" are those of tyrants and dictators. Truly well educated people understand such lessons from history. Alas, we live in an age of indoctrination rather than education.
Raising the driving age to 25 would save a ton of lives. That also would not violate anyone's fundamental human rights as guaranteed in the U.S. Constitution. Why aren't these kiddos starting with that particular piece of low hanging fruit? Could it be that they are only worried about things that don't impact them personally?

Re: Repeal the 2nd Amendment

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:49 am
by bblhd672
Soccerdad1995 wrote:
Middle Age Russ wrote:... but we must do something for public safety -- for the kids!! The hew and cry continues -- in the names of the children to elicit a more favorable response and shut down fact-based dialog and debate. The arguments to deny rights and limit Liberty for "public safety" are those of tyrants and dictators. Truly well educated people understand such lessons from history. Alas, we live in an age of indoctrination rather than education.
Raising the driving age to 25 would save a ton of lives. That also would not violate anyone's fundamental human rights as guaranteed in the U.S. Constitution. Why aren't these kiddos starting with that particular piece of low hanging fruit? Could it be that they are only worried about things that don't impact them personally?
They are children being led around by politically savvy manipulators. Because they are children, logic and reason are not fully developed, even more the case in those who are in the education system which is no longer interested in creating independent thinkers full of knowledge and facts.

These children are not the problem, the problem is that progressive socialists are using mind numbed and traumatized children to pursue their agenda of complete power over the people.