Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident

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Re: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident

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Post by mojo84 » Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:22 pm

Killadocg23 wrote:
Sat Sep 08, 2018 1:16 pm
Apparently news is going round that the guy killed and the cop actually knew each other and had “dated” before. Don’t know how true that is but I’ve read and seen it several places.
When you post something like this you should also cite your source.


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Post by flechero » Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:44 pm

mojo84 wrote:
Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:22 pm
Killadocg23 wrote:
Sat Sep 08, 2018 1:16 pm
Apparently news is going round that the guy killed and the cop actually knew each other and had “dated” before. Don’t know how true that is but I’ve read and seen it several places.
When you post something like this you should also cite your source.
https://usdailyreport.com/2018/09/07/bo ... n_942.html

Looks like a lot more than originally reported.

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Post by mojo84 » Sat Sep 08, 2018 6:10 pm

flechero wrote:
Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:44 pm
mojo84 wrote:
Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:22 pm
Killadocg23 wrote:
Sat Sep 08, 2018 1:16 pm
Apparently news is going round that the guy killed and the cop actually knew each other and had “dated” before. Don’t know how true that is but I’ve read and seen it several places.
When you post something like this you should also cite your source.
https://usdailyreport.com/2018/09/07/bo ... n_942.html

Looks like a lot more than originally reported.
Nothing but a bunch of speculation at the link you posted. The poster I quoted said there is "news" going around.


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Re: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident

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Post by flechero » Sat Sep 08, 2018 6:29 pm

mojo84 wrote:
Sat Sep 08, 2018 6:10 pm
flechero wrote:
Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:44 pm
mojo84 wrote:
Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:22 pm
Killadocg23 wrote:
Sat Sep 08, 2018 1:16 pm
Apparently news is going round that the guy killed and the cop actually knew each other and had “dated” before. Don’t know how true that is but I’ve read and seen it several places.
When you post something like this you should also cite your source.
https://usdailyreport.com/2018/09/07/bo ... n_942.html

Looks like a lot more than originally reported.
Nothing but a bunch of speculation at the link you posted. The poster I quoted said there is "news" going around.
My apologies for trying to be helpful. I had just seen that link in another place and offered it up as a possible source of info.


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Post by WTR » Sat Sep 08, 2018 7:01 pm

philip964 wrote:
Sat Sep 08, 2018 6:14 pm
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/dallas- ... ng-suspect

Office named.

Never met victim.

So she says. I’ll wait for the T R ‘s report.

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Re: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident

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Post by spectre » Sun Sep 09, 2018 3:01 pm

ELB wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:17 am
Man that is not good. If that happened as first reported, she was eligible to be legally shot by the resident.
:iagree:

Unless the door was wide open, the killer unlawfully and with force entered the victim's occupied habitation. Deadly force is presumed justified against the armed intruder.

However, if the victim had shot her, and he survived, does anybody really think he would be treated as gently by the so called justice system as she is being treated?
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Re: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident

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Post by Killadocg23 » Sun Sep 09, 2018 3:36 pm

spectre wrote:
Sun Sep 09, 2018 3:01 pm
ELB wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:17 am
Man that is not good. If that happened as first reported, she was eligible to be legally shot by the resident.
:iagree:

Unless the door was wide open, the killer unlawfully and with force entered the victim's occupied habitation. Deadly force is presumed justified against the armed intruder.

However, if the victim had shot her, and he survived, does anybody really think he would be treated as gently by the so called justice system as she is being treated?
Of Course not. He would be sitting in a jail cell just as if it would have been me or you.

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Post by oljames3 » Mon Sep 10, 2018 8:10 am

spectre wrote:
Sun Sep 09, 2018 3:01 pm
ELB wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:17 am
Man that is not good. If that happened as first reported, she was eligible to be legally shot by the resident.
:iagree:

Unless the door was wide open, the killer unlawfully and with force entered the victim's occupied habitation. Deadly force is presumed justified against the armed intruder.

However, if the victim had shot her, and he survived, does anybody really think he would be treated as gently by the so called justice system as she is being treated?
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/dallas- ... icial-says (limited number of free views)
Report by Dallas Morning News 9/9/18.
Guyger, who was still in uniform, put her key in the door, which was unlocked, and the door opened, the official said. The lights were out. She saw a figure in the darkness and thought her apartment was being burglarized, the official said. Guyger pulled her gun and fired twice.

When she turned on the lights, she realized she was in the wrong apartment. Jean, who worked for PricewaterhouseCoopers, was shot once in the chest.
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Post by Allons » Mon Sep 10, 2018 8:39 am

I don't see how she could have missed that red floor mat, especially if she did not have one in front of her door. I wonder if she wiped her feet on the mat before opening the door. We all make mistakes, but not very aware of her surroundings for law enforcement.
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Re: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident

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Post by C-dub » Mon Sep 10, 2018 9:01 am

I really don't know which way this one is going to go for the officer. There have been incidents within the past several years where people have gone to the wrong home and ended up being killed by the homeowner and the homeowner was not charged. Police have even gone to the wrong house on those no-knock warrants and killed pets or killed or wounded people without being charged.

This one is HORRIBLE for everyone no matter which way you look at it.

Regarding not noticing things like a red door mat or whatever, I've driven home from various places and a few times I can remember shutting my truck off in my driveway and then not remembering which way I came home. Did I stop at that light or did I go a different route? That hasn't happened for several years, but it really freaked me out when it did happen.
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Post by Soccerdad1995 » Mon Sep 10, 2018 12:18 pm

We empower LEO's with the ability to arrest and imprison our fellow citizens. This responsibility should come with a higher standard of acceptable behavior than we have for the citizenry as a whole. We don't yet know all the facts here. But I do know that this officer should be held to at least the same standard that would apply if I (a non-LEO) did the same thing she did.

Assuming that the LEO's story is true, that means I would be out on bond right now if I mistakenly enter a LEO's home and then proceed to shoot and kill them. I honestly could see that happening (assuming the bond here is very high, of course). Also, from what I understand of the law, manslaughter is the correct charge absent proof of intent. But obviously we also need the myriad add-on charges including UCW since she was carrying a weapon while committing a felony, etc. I would expect that this LEO will be in another line of work after serving her prison sentence, and also will never be able to legally own a firearm in the future.
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Re: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident

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Post by WTR » Mon Sep 10, 2018 12:36 pm

Soccerdad1995 wrote:
Mon Sep 10, 2018 12:18 pm
We empower LEO's with the ability to arrest and imprison our fellow citizens. This responsibility should come with a higher standard of acceptable behavior than we have for the citizenry as a whole. We don't yet know all the facts here. But I do know that this officer should be held to at least the same standard that would apply if I (a non-LEO) did the same thing she did.

Assuming that the LEO's story is true, that means I would be out on bond right now if I mistakenly enter a LEO's home and then proceed to shoot and kill them. I honestly could see that happening (assuming the bond here is very high, of course). Also, from what I understand of the law, manslaughter is the correct charge absent proof of intent. But obviously we also need the myriad add-on charges including UCW since she was carrying a weapon while committing a felony, etc. I would expect that this LEO will be in another line of work after serving her prison sentence, and also will never be able to legally own a firearm in the future.
No proof of prior intent. She obviously intended to shoot him.


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Re: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident

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Post by Soccerdad1995 » Mon Sep 10, 2018 12:45 pm

WTR wrote:
Mon Sep 10, 2018 12:36 pm
Soccerdad1995 wrote:
Mon Sep 10, 2018 12:18 pm
We empower LEO's with the ability to arrest and imprison our fellow citizens. This responsibility should come with a higher standard of acceptable behavior than we have for the citizenry as a whole. We don't yet know all the facts here. But I do know that this officer should be held to at least the same standard that would apply if I (a non-LEO) did the same thing she did.

Assuming that the LEO's story is true, that means I would be out on bond right now if I mistakenly enter a LEO's home and then proceed to shoot and kill them. I honestly could see that happening (assuming the bond here is very high, of course). Also, from what I understand of the law, manslaughter is the correct charge absent proof of intent. But obviously we also need the myriad add-on charges including UCW since she was carrying a weapon while committing a felony, etc. I would expect that this LEO will be in another line of work after serving her prison sentence, and also will never be able to legally own a firearm in the future.
No proof of prior intent. She obviously intended to shoot him.
IANAL, but if there is no proof of prior intent to kill the man, that means this isn't murder, right? That's why I said that to my layperson's brain, the charge of manslaughter makes sense. But I'm a bit confused by your post. Are you agreeing with me, or disagreeing?

Obviously a full investigation needs to occur and if there was prior intent that changes everything. But, if the fact is that there was no prior intent, then it sounds like the LEO is being treated in the same way that a non-LEO citizen would be. That was my main point and concern.
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Re: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident

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Post by WTR » Mon Sep 10, 2018 12:52 pm

I think that with her actions she could be charged under the murder statute. Murder could be considered an over charge as intent is a defense. However, she obviously committed an act that could justifiby carry a murder charge.

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