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Re: Lever-action pistol

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Post by puma guy » Sun Mar 04, 2018 10:40 am

warnmar10 wrote:IANAI but:
CHAPTER 46. WEAPONS
Sec. 46.01. DEFINITIONS.
(5) "Handgun" means any firearm that is designed, made, or adapted to be fired with one hand.
Ask him to demonstrate proficiency with one hand. If he can aim, shoot and re-cock 5 rounds in the allotted time using only one hand let him use it on the test.
Do the rules specify you can only use one hand? I doubt that very much. Many shooters cock their SA revolvers with their off hand as do many DA revolver shooters. I along with everyone in my class used a two hand hold and probably everyone does, too, so why would you exempt this weapon from two handed use? I wouldn't want to be on the firing line with someone doing a Chuck Conners routine with their firearm.
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Re: Lever-action pistol

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Post by mrvmax » Sun Mar 04, 2018 11:14 am

twomillenium wrote:I read nothing about the spirit of the law in the text of the handbook. If it is a pistol and is 22 caliber or bigger then it can be used. The only decision I see an instructor having is, can it be done safely without endangering others around them. If they are not proficient in the handling of the pistol especially (an unusual style) you do not have to give them another chance, just tell them to use something else. I was told by one DPS instructor that a student could use a two shot derringer, but they would have the same time constraints as anyone else.
I agree, don’t make up rules where there are none existing. I’m no LTC reg guru but if there is nothing forbidding it then let him use it. It’s ironic that firearm owners complain about our government making unnecessary rules for firearms yet as gun owners we like to make up our own to suit our own opinions (this is an example and individuals buying and selling firearms like to make their own rules. An example would be writing down the buyers DL or LTC info when nowhere does state or federal law require this).

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Post by The Annoyed Man » Sun Mar 04, 2018 11:23 am

Jusme wrote:
warnmar10 wrote:IANAI but:
CHAPTER 46. WEAPONS
Sec. 46.01. DEFINITIONS.
(5) "Handgun" means any firearm that is designed, made, or adapted to be fired with one hand.
Ask him to demonstrate proficiency with one hand. If he can aim, shoot and re-cock 5 rounds in the allotted time using only one hand let him use it on the test.
There are no regulations, in the LTC firearms proficiency test, that require any gun be fired with only one hand. To require that, of someone, with a non-traditional "pistol" seems unfair. JMHO
Exactly. Such a standard would disqualify any left-hander who uses his right hand to release the slide on a semiauto because the slide lock/release lever is on the left side of the frame. It would also disqualify anyone who uses a two-handed shooting grip.

Besides, Lucas McCain already demonstrated the possibility. :mrgreen:
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Post by spectre » Sun Mar 04, 2018 11:33 am

Do you require students shooting revolvers to do their reloads one handed?
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Post by warnmar10 » Sun Mar 04, 2018 11:36 am

puma guy wrote:
warnmar10 wrote:IANAI but:
CHAPTER 46. WEAPONS
Sec. 46.01. DEFINITIONS.
(5) "Handgun" means any firearm that is designed, made, or adapted to be fired with one hand.
Ask him to demonstrate proficiency with one hand. If he can aim, shoot and re-cock 5 rounds in the allotted time using only one hand let him use it on the test.
Do the rules specify you can only use one hand? I doubt that very much. Many shooters cock their SA revolvers with their off hand as do many DA revolver shooters. I along with everyone in my class used a two hand hold and probably everyone does, too, so why would you exempt this weapon from two handed use? I wouldn't want to be on the firing line with someone doing a Chuck Conners routine with their firearm.
I'm just trying to help. If an instructor is empowered to disallow a lever action pistol why can't he impose his own proficiency test too?


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Post by TreyHouston » Sun Mar 04, 2018 11:49 am

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He is me a few years ago firing one handed.... can I qualify with this?
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Post by puma guy » Sun Mar 04, 2018 12:02 pm

warnmar10 wrote:
puma guy wrote:
warnmar10 wrote:IANAI but:
CHAPTER 46. WEAPONS
Sec. 46.01. DEFINITIONS.
(5) "Handgun" means any firearm that is designed, made, or adapted to be fired with one hand.
Ask him to demonstrate proficiency with one hand. If he can aim, shoot and re-cock 5 rounds in the allotted time using only one hand let him use it on the test.
Do the rules specify you can only use one hand? I doubt that very much. Many shooters cock their SA revolvers with their off hand as do many DA revolver shooters. I along with everyone in my class used a two hand hold and probably everyone does, too, so why would you exempt this weapon from two handed use? I wouldn't want to be on the firing line with someone doing a Chuck Conners routine with their firearm.
I'm just trying to help. If an instructor is empowered to disallow a lever action pistol why can't he impose his own proficiency test too?
Sorry, warnmar10, I meant no offense. I was just using your post to juxtapose my questions and comments.
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Post by warnmar10 » Sun Mar 04, 2018 3:13 pm

puma guy wrote:Sorry, warnmar10, I meant no offense. I was just using your post to juxtapose my questions and comments.
None taken.

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Post by puma guy » Sun Mar 04, 2018 7:20 pm

warnmar10 wrote:
puma guy wrote:Sorry, warnmar10, I meant no offense. I was just using your post to juxtapose my questions and comments.
None taken.
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Re: Lever-action pistol

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Post by C-dub » Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:00 am

My opinion is worth what you paid for it.

My only concern is that he would be unable to complete the course of fire for the proficiency in the allotted time for some of the strings. I think the only reason an instructor should prevent the use of this or any "handgun" is for safety reasons. If the gun is not handled safely or is not safe to operate due to reliability or functionality then I think it can be prohibited.

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Re: Lever-action pistol

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Post by WildRose » Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:31 am

warnmar10 wrote:IANAI but:
CHAPTER 46. WEAPONS
Sec. 46.01. DEFINITIONS.
(5) "Handgun" means any firearm that is designed, made, or adapted to be fired with one hand.
Ask him to demonstrate proficiency with one hand. If he can aim, shoot and re-cock 5 rounds in the allotted time using only one hand let him use it on the test.
There is no such "one hand" operation requirement in the law. Only that it must be designed to be fired with one hand.

It isn't up to us to make up our own rules, nor does the state allow for us to.
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Re: Lever-action pistol

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Post by The Annoyed Man » Wed Apr 04, 2018 9:57 am

Jusme wrote:There are no regulations, in the LTC firearms proficiency test, that require any gun be fired with only one hand. To require that, of someone, with a non-traditional "pistol" seems unfair. JMHO
Might be justifiable for safety reasons.
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Re: Lever-action pistol

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Post by BBYC » Wed Apr 04, 2018 12:57 pm

The Annoyed Man wrote:
Jusme wrote:There are no regulations, in the LTC firearms proficiency test, that require any gun be fired with only one hand. To require that, of someone, with a non-traditional "pistol" seems unfair. JMHO
Might be justifiable for safety reasons.
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Re: Lever-action pistol

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Post by skeathley » Wed Apr 04, 2018 11:50 pm

This has gotten completely out of hand, with people making up conspiracy theories. I never said he had to be able to fire it with one hand; I said that the State definition of a handgun is one that "has been designed to be fired with one hand." Big difference.

Whether or not that particular gun CAN be fired with one hand, the fact is that it clearly was not designed to be. Unless you can spin it like Chuck Conners, there is no practical way to cock it one-handed. If it does not qualify as a handgun, then it is ineligible for use for a handgun license.

In reality, that gun is an SBR.

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Re: Lever-action pistol

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Post by philbo » Thu Apr 05, 2018 12:46 am

skeathley wrote:In reality, that gun is an SBR.
No, it isn't (at least not until ATF redefines it as such... :roll: ). Whether you allow it to be used in your class is your call and your prerogative, but don't try it justify it as anything other than your personal preference.

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