A quick review of the Rare Breed "forced reset" trigger

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A quick review of the Rare Breed "forced reset" trigger

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I had the opportunity to install a https://www.rarebreedtriggers.com/ on my Noveske rifle a few weeks ago, and finally tried it out yesterday.

For those of you unfamiliar, the trigger is a "forced reset trigger" (imagine a bump stock, moved entirely into the trigger assembly). It resets the trigger using a clever mechanism behind the trigger that is actuated as the bolt cycles.

Here's my review: Wow. :eek6

Longer review: I've fired F/A before, both in the military and afterwards. It's really not a desirable way to fire an AR-15, all things considered, as you get rapid muzzle rise. This was no different. Perhaps more importantly, the manufacturer points out that it's really only a semi-auto with an instant reset, so you can fire semi by squeezing once and letting off the trigger. I was not successful getting off single shots. The best I was getting was triple and quad shots. Maybe it's because I'm getting "old" now, but I just wasn't able to get off the trigger for a single shot no matter how I tried (admittedly, I didn't try hard -- I was having too much fun :lol: ). The Rare Breed Trigger is expensive, but only about 2x the cost of a high-end trigger like from CMC.

I loved shooting this, but I know it will be taken to the range rarely now. Unless I have a more reliable way to control the muzzle rise, this rifle is more of a novelty than a useful weapon. Of course, your opinion may differ on the usefulness of converting an AR-15 to legally shoot what appears to be full-auto.

One last comment: This is NOT a "DIY" drop-in installation(although it appears so). Reliable F/A also requires attention to the buffer system and the gas impingement, and I generally do not advise you put this in a "bargain brand" rifle. If you get one, my advice is to have a gunsmith install and test it.

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Interesting - I have a complete lower I'm not using; might be a nice candidate for a trigger-pack like this.
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If I had the means to pay cash only, I’d get one.....just to salt away for CW2. But given my best guess that the fedgov’t is going to make the bumpstock ban permanent, AND find a way to outlaw binary triggers, I’m guessing that they’ll hammer this nail flat too. But if there were a way to acquire one without digitally flagging myself, I might do it.
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You would be surprised how many people asked me to order extra triggers and sell to them anonymously.

Im sure that could be a lucrative business for someone, but not me.

Amd if the ATF decides I should turn it in, well...there’s always plan B.
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All sold out on the website.

FRT-15
$380.00
Out Of Stock

You can get them on Gunbroker but be prepared to hand over 500 to 600 scheckles.

There are a more than a few for sale in Texas. Just have to ask the seller and drive...
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Boy, looks like I missed out on a great opportunity :cryin
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I got mine and it was installed on the weekend.
You need 4oz buffer and M16 BCG too.
That is an extra 200 coins.
400 coins for the giggle switch alone.
It is a drop-in one piece trigger group.

The not so good news:
1) 30rds in 3-5 sec is very expensive to shoot
2) No semi-auto mode. I wished I had knew about that fact, it is non-practical for a defensive weapon. Solution, drop the trigger in dedicated complete lower. That is an additional 200 coins or so.

Recommendation:
1) One of the either Binary trigger is a better burst-mode trigger.
2) For deep pocket folks, a dedicated lower with FST is your ticket for pre-86 shooting days.
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OldCannon wrote: Sat Apr 24, 2021 10:01 am
... I was not successful getting off single shots. The best I was getting was triple and quad shots. ...
So basically you had one intentional shot and two or three UDs? :mrgreen: "rlol"
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ELB wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 11:12 am
OldCannon wrote: Sat Apr 24, 2021 10:01 am
... I was not successful getting off single shots. The best I was getting was triple and quad shots. ...
So basically you had one intentional shot and two or three UDs? :mrgreen: "rlol"
I am sorry your honor I don’t know how I shot him that many times...


Well yes your honor I did stop when the mag ran dry ... :smash: :nono:
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Syntyr wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 3:50 pm
ELB wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 11:12 am
OldCannon wrote: Sat Apr 24, 2021 10:01 am
... I was not successful getting off single shots. The best I was getting was triple and quad shots. ...
So basically you had one intentional shot and two or three UDs? :mrgreen: "rlol"
I am sorry your honor I don’t know how I shot him that many times...


Well yes your honor I did stop when the mag ran dry ... :smash: :nono:
Judge: You did not stop, the rifle stopped because it run out of booolits
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Beiruty wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 10:32 am I got mine and it was installed on the weekend.
You need 4oz buffer and M16 BCG too.
That is an extra 200 coins.
400 coins for the giggle switch alone.
It is a drop-in one piece trigger group.
Fortunately for me, I have a LOT of ammo, lowers, tools, F/A BCGs(truth is, almost all BCGs are "full auto" supportable, etc from my FFL business, so my only cost was the FRT.
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I’ve seen videos of catastrophic malfunction due the the angle of the spring. It appears it should have an angle to it, to compensate for the rotational force on the “forced reset sear.” The only fix being a new spring, and/or carving out a relief in the spring channel to prevent the spring from crimping.

Have you had this happen? I’d be pretty interested in a gen2 with a solution for the spring.
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jb2012 wrote: Wed Apr 28, 2021 2:25 am
Have you had this happen? I’d be pretty interested in a gen2 with a solution for the spring.
I haven’t had this happen and have not observed the compression spring being moved
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OldCannon wrote: Wed Apr 28, 2021 7:42 am
jb2012 wrote: Wed Apr 28, 2021 2:25 am
Have you had this happen? I’d be pretty interested in a gen2 with a solution for the spring.
I haven’t had this happen and have not observed the compression spring being moved
Seems to be in triggers with higher round count. With ammo the way it is, I’m guessing we see less of this failure than if we had it two years ago. Keep us updated with yours!
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