Kimber Solo Carry Range Report
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Re: Kimber Solo Carry Range Report
They must not update their website very often because it's not on their list of rentals.
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Can somebody tell me why whenever somebody posts facts about their guns and the testing they perform and an issue is shared with us the Glockers have to semi hijack the post with information about their guns? I would venture a guess that most of us do not care about your biased glock comments and are more interested in the original poster and the information that they are providing which actually provides a value to forum members. ... my rant is over..............
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Re: Kimber Solo Carry Range Report
No they don't. You have to go there and look or you have to call about anything recently released.Aggie_engr wrote:They must not update their website very often because it's not on their list of rentals.
They don't have the LC9 yet.
They may have told me that they got the Solo 4 weeks ago rather than 4 months. When did the Solo start shipping?
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Re: Kimber Solo Carry Range Report
Salty1 wrote:Can somebody tell me why whenever somebody posts facts about their guns and the testing they perform and an issue is shared with us the Glockers have to semi hijack the post with information about their guns?
My guess is that its because it was posted on the internet, a venue often used to express opinions...frequently those of the contrary nature.
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Well said gigag04.gigag04 wrote:Salty1 wrote:Can somebody tell me why whenever somebody posts facts about their guns and the testing they perform and an issue is shared with us the Glockers have to semi hijack the post with information about their guns?
My guess is that its because it was posted on the internet, a venue often used to express opinions...frequently those of the contrary nature.
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Re: Kimber Solo Carry Range Report
Don't want to pile on the new member here, but I agree with Aggie_engr ... could be that fulano was riding the slide a bit when releasing it in the gigag-preferred two-handed fashion?Aggie_engr wrote:Boy we've had a lot of new members join the forum recently. Usually when a pistol will not go into battery when racking the slide as gigag mentioned I am fairly certain trying to use the slide stop will not remedy the battery issue. In other words, your description of the way a gun funtions is backwards.fulano wrote:I found I had to use the slide release with the Kimber to load the initial round;
BTW may I ask what range already has the kimber solo to rent?
SEE!!!!! There, RIGHT THERE I am DEFENDING the Kimber in this instance
But seriously, for the most part gun brand vs. gun brand arguments are just part of gun culture on the information super highway. Quite often when I praise Glock and appear to run down some other company, it's all in good fun (just ask TAM ) ....
I do believe Glock has a stellar reputation for reliability and durability that has been proven in testing and real-world application for a few decades now. The original JMB 1911 design had a similar reputation through more than 70 years of stellar service with the US military. But 1911 vs. Glock is a lot like PC/Microsoft vs. Apple, whereas PC and 1911 have now become the testing ground for all manner of tinkerers, amateur builders, and subpar professional builders (some who can hack it, some who can't), Glock is a Glock is a Glock. It's not fair to compare Apple to oranges (or Microsoft), nor Glock to 1911s, which are built by a pleathora of different companies. And by the way I'm not saying Kimber is a subpar 1911 builder, just saying that they add a lot more to JMBs original design and at some point something somewhere is bound to go off the tracks in such a semi-custom situation.
A fairer comparison would be Kimber or any other semi-custom 1911 builder to a company like Lone Wolf Distributing, which now manufacturers its own Glock frames, slides, and barrels - allowing a customer to build a "Glock" that has very few if any "Glock TM" parts in it.
I'm guessing Kimber kicks LWD's rear end in terms of reliability.
Also, coming back around to the whole Kimber Solo discussion - this is a BRAND NEW gun design. Early growing pains are to be expected. Glock had them. JMB's designs had them. Every new product has them.
The larger take-away from all this if you're an "early adopter" of new gun designs, make SURE they run before you carry them for self defense.
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---austinrealtor wrote "Also, coming back around to the whole Kimber Solo discussion - this is a BRAND NEW gun design. Early growing pains are to be expected. Glock had them. JMB's designs had them. Every new product has them.
The larger take-away from all this if you're an "early adopter" of new gun designs, make SURE they run before you carry them for self defense."----
This is the issue. I'm not looking to blaze a trail. I keep a car till it has 300K miles or is ten years old; which ever comes last (in the 80's it was 200K) so when I buy a new set of wheels, I look at all of them knowing I want it to fit current and future needs and I want reliability short and long term.
Now I want a reliable, smaller gun. I'm sure the Solo will be that gun someday for someone but not now and not for me. I just wanted to try it; compare it. I'm pretty much done with my eval and it was fun. Like austinrealtor says, talking about, sharing opinions and experiences is fun too.
The larger take-away from all this if you're an "early adopter" of new gun designs, make SURE they run before you carry them for self defense."----
This is the issue. I'm not looking to blaze a trail. I keep a car till it has 300K miles or is ten years old; which ever comes last (in the 80's it was 200K) so when I buy a new set of wheels, I look at all of them knowing I want it to fit current and future needs and I want reliability short and long term.
Now I want a reliable, smaller gun. I'm sure the Solo will be that gun someday for someone but not now and not for me. I just wanted to try it; compare it. I'm pretty much done with my eval and it was fun. Like austinrealtor says, talking about, sharing opinions and experiences is fun too.
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Re: Kimber Solo Carry Range Report
seems to me a pocket 9 is an engineering exercise to defeat physics.
For that pistol a work correctly, Slide mass, bullet weight, powder charge, and recoil spring pressure all have to be balanced against each other.
And it all has to work in less than 3 inches.
The only fixed value in this equation is the slide mass.
The Spring tension changes over time
9mm Lugar covers a WIDE range of cartridges
Oh, and they also have to depend on the new owner to know not to limp-wrist it. I've known 250-lb men that would limp-wrist certain pistols, but I wasn't about to tell them that
So basically, Kimber put a spring in it that was correct for the most likely bullet weight/powder charge most owners would use.
That's an educated guess. I'd bet they guessed that no one spending Kimber Money for a pocket SD pistol was going to carry it with WWB 115 grn loaded.
They knew they could not get away with specifying one or two factory loads to work in that gun.
I think if I liked the gun otherwise, I'd run 200 break-in rounds through it, then settle on the one I wanted to carry.
If those would not cycle correctly, then I'd have Kimber send me some different springs.
Most of us won't experiment like that.
For that pistol a work correctly, Slide mass, bullet weight, powder charge, and recoil spring pressure all have to be balanced against each other.
And it all has to work in less than 3 inches.
The only fixed value in this equation is the slide mass.
The Spring tension changes over time
9mm Lugar covers a WIDE range of cartridges
Oh, and they also have to depend on the new owner to know not to limp-wrist it. I've known 250-lb men that would limp-wrist certain pistols, but I wasn't about to tell them that
So basically, Kimber put a spring in it that was correct for the most likely bullet weight/powder charge most owners would use.
That's an educated guess. I'd bet they guessed that no one spending Kimber Money for a pocket SD pistol was going to carry it with WWB 115 grn loaded.
They knew they could not get away with specifying one or two factory loads to work in that gun.
I think if I liked the gun otherwise, I'd run 200 break-in rounds through it, then settle on the one I wanted to carry.
If those would not cycle correctly, then I'd have Kimber send me some different springs.
Most of us won't experiment like that.
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Re: Kimber Solo Carry Range Report
They will figure it out eventually.
If you look at initial reports on many new guns there is a period of debug by the new adopters and recalls
Also Kimber appears to be a custom manufacturer. The mass productions companies generally have more to lose when they fill the distribution pipe and spend more time making sure changes are minimal.
There guns are beautifully made. I think that has a lot to do with the following.
If you look at initial reports on many new guns there is a period of debug by the new adopters and recalls
Also Kimber appears to be a custom manufacturer. The mass productions companies generally have more to lose when they fill the distribution pipe and spend more time making sure changes are minimal.
There guns are beautifully made. I think that has a lot to do with the following.
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Kimber is not a "custom manufacturer.". They extremely "off-the-rack" and mass produced with as much MIM possible.
Ed Brown, Wilson, STI come to mind when I think of a true custom maker.
Ed Brown, Wilson, STI come to mind when I think of a true custom maker.
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I was just going by what the salesperson told me when I was shopping. The solo was many weeks away from "ship after order/payment". He commented that they pretty much match orders to production; my generalization was probably in error. Could have just meant for their new products at his level of sales volume.gigag04 wrote:Kimber is not a "custom manufacturer.". They extremely "off-the-rack" and mass produced with as much MIM possible.
Ed Brown, Wilson, STI come to mind when I think of a true custom maker.
Sounds like you are much more knowledgeable than me; sorry. I defer to your judgment.
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You can scratch STI off the list. They make a fine weapon...but their own literature states they have joined the mass produced manufacturers these days.gigag04 wrote:Kimber is not a "custom manufacturer.". They extremely "off-the-rack" and mass produced with as much MIM possible.
Ed Brown, Wilson, STI come to mind when I think of a true custom maker.
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Terlingueno wrote:If I bought any pistol and had 12 failures to eject out of 50 rounds I would consider it broken and send it back.
Oh my! Allow me to warn you to stay away from the Kahr P380. After about 300 rounds I finally am able to do a range trip without having the urge to throw the pistol down range.
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Re: Kimber Solo Carry Range Report
FWIW, I did not have any failures on break in with the Solo after I figured out I did not put the slide lock spring back correctly (oops) after an initial cleaning and inspection. No failures at all after assembling it properly. It worked flawlessly on 115gr target ammo, and 124gr and corbon 125gr carry ammo.Shoot_First wrote:
I was preparing to do that, but called Kimber tech support first. Kimber says the Solo was designed to run with 124 gr. or heavier bullets and that "some" weaker 115 gr. loads would not reliably cycle the slide properly. They recommended I test further with their recommended loads and if the FTE problem remained to contact them again for return instructions. That's where I'm at now... looking for some Kimber recommended rounds to shoot... so far no luck!
Didn't have any problems with the Kahr P380 feeding either. Probably don't hear many problem reports when there are no problems.
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I think I'd rather get a Colt hammerless than carry around an overpriced, highly picky Kimber Solo. I lost faith in Kimber when I have seen multiple stoppages and broken parts at various ranges by other parties in attendance. Once or twice I can accept, but third time is a charm...a bad one.