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Mossberg. Have they improved?

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Post by cmgee67 » Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:33 am

I am really considering picking up a mossberg shockwave. My LGS usually sells them between 3-350 depending if they are running a sale. I have never owned a mossberg gun of any kind. I know there are people who swear by them. Normally I wouldn’t even consider buying a mossberg because I grew up on Remington shotguns. But Remington is not the same as it used to be. I was looking at my 870 compared to a new one the other day and I was very dissaponted in the quality of the new one. Every mossberg I’ve handled felt cheap and didn’t seem like it was well made either. But that being said I havnt picked up a mossberg in about 10 years. If they are good guns and I’m missing out please inform me!
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Post by EastTexasRancher » Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:56 am

I don't know which Mossberg you've fondled, but they make a fine shotgun, particularly (IMHO) self defense shotguns.

A very nice 590 sleeps by my bed 24/7, and I'm 100% confident in its reliability should it ever need to be used.

Good luck with your choice.

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Post by AF-Odin » Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:28 am

Have had a Mossberg 500 20 gauge since 1973 and it has always worked just fine. Bought a 12 gauge Model 500 20 inch barrel HD shotgun in 1978 and except for a minor malfunction in 1984 with the extractor which was easily fixed, no issues. Bought another 12 gauge 500 for hunting in 2006 and works great. last year bought a Mossberg JM Pro and love it. Son has a Mossberg Maverick 88 12 gauge and it has worked fine for him

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Post by nimravus01 » Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:13 am

I chose the Shockwave over the Remington Tac-14 for a few reasons. First, the one shell extra capacity that comes with the Mossberg. For some reason Remington made theirs 4+1. Second, I like the shell lifter arrangement, safety switch, and bolt release placement better than Remington's. I own a older Remington 870 for hunting. Put side by side, the Mossbulerg looks a little rougher, but, in a more utility oriented way. Shooting it, the Mossberg functions perfectly. Also, thanks to the design of the store mentioned shell lifter, a cheap adapter makes the Aguila mini shells cycle correctly unlike the Remington.


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Post by cmgee67 » Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:24 am

The mossberg I handled long ago was a maverick 88 and it felt like I could shake it apart and the machining didn’t look up to par to Remington. It was very loose and looked like you spray painted the finish on it. That being said it was a 120$ shotgun. I’ve never handled a 500. It always seemed to me the Remington was heavier duty built. I know our military uses both Remington and mossberg as well as many LEO agencies so there’s something to be said. Maybe I’ll give the shockwave a try. I’m all for giving something a chance. If I end up not liking it I’m sure I can resell it quickly. The safety location will be a learning curve as I am used to the button safety behind the trigger guard on the Remington.
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Post by dlh » Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:26 am

I recommend that you carefully handle the one you are thinking about purchasing. You can tell a lot from the "feel."

My newly acquired Mossberg 500 from a couple of years ago had light primer strikes right out of the box. I sent it back to Mossberg and it works fine now with no issues. Having said that, it seems to have a lot of "plastic and aluminum" on it.

I do not believe the Remington or Mossberg shotguns manufactured today are as good a quality as the ones made back in the seventies. I inherited my dad's Remington 1100LT-20 semi-automatic shotgun and it is truly a thing of beauty.

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Post by puma guy » Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:41 am

From personal experience selling guns back in the 60's and 70's I can tell you Mossberg provides solid well made firearms at intermediate prices compared to Remington and Winchester. They came out with a centerfire bolt action rifle back then that was well designed and very well made. I was always chagrined when I'd show one to a customer; they were surprised at the quality. They mostly had the idea Mossbergs were inferior firearms, which they weren't; then or now. Beside a Mossberg 500 I have the Shockwave in 12ga. The additional shell capacity and ability to use an adapter for mini shell helped me make my choice over the Remimgton TAC-14 as well as the strap on the forend that looked like a useful addition, which turned out to be. When I shot it I was impressed with the ergonomics of the grip. I'm sure a lot of time was spent coming up with the design to make it comfotable. The strap was a definite plus.
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Post by pcernuch » Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:53 am

ive had a 590 Mariner for over 20yrs, its never skipped a beat. I'll never part with it, i have no doubt my son will have it his entire lifetime after i'm gone.

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Post by rotor » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:50 am

I have a less than $200 Maverick 88 that works great. I also have a $3,000 plus Browning over-under. It works great. I would not hesitate to buy a Mossberg again.

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Post by puma guy » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:01 pm

cmgee67 wrote:The mossberg I handled long ago was a maverick 88 and it felt like I could shake it apart and the machining didn’t look up to par to Remington. It was very loose and looked like you spray painted the finish on it. That being said it was a 120$ shotgun. I’ve never handled a 500. It always seemed to me the Remington was heavier duty built. I know our military uses both Remington and mossberg as well as many LEO agencies so there’s something to be said. Maybe I’ll give the shockwave a try. I’m all for giving something a chance. If I end up not liking it I’m sure I can resell it quickly. The safety location will be a learning curve as I am used to the button safety behind the trigger guard on the Remington.
The top mounted safety was a concern for me. Especially the sharps edges of the step design. I was worried the gun would slip back and I'd end up with a cut on the web of my hand. I didn't shoot 3", shells but the 2¾" shells were no problem with the well designed grip. I held the gun up in front of my face to aim and the recoil was not a problem. The strap on the forend is a big help and gripping it against the front attachment point makes a big difference.

I watched a Hickok45 video of him shooting one handed in each hand and he had a cut on the web of one of his hands. I didn't try that. :lol:
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Post by puma guy » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:04 pm

rotor wrote:I have a less than $200 Maverick 88 that works great. I also have a $3,000 plus Browning over-under. It works great. I would not hesitate to buy a Mossberg again.
:iagree: I had a Maverick 88 that I traded for a vintage full sized frame Remington 20ga 1100 semi-auto. There was nothing to dislike about the Maverick, I couldn't pass up a trade like that.
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Post by The Annoyed Man » Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:32 pm

I wasn’t aware that they needed improving. The 500 model has been around for years, and has been in use by police departments for decades. The 590 model was designed in response to a request for an upgraded shotgun for the military. The Shockwave is just a shorty 590, so it ought to be at least as rugged as the full sized gun.

I have a 590A1, and I really like it. It has thicker barrel walls than either the 870, or even a Mossberg 500. The A1 version comes with rifle type sights, and most of the A1 models have a 20” barrel with an 8 round magazine tube. So total onboard the weapon is 9 rounds, not counting whatever shell holders you screw to the receiver or wrap around the stock. I don’t know that I would call this a “complaint”, but my only desire would be for the stroke of the pump action to be a little lighter and smoother right out of the box, but it also kind of broke in after not too many rounds.

There are Youtube videos of people using this model to hit with slugs at crazy distances for a shotgun.

At 100 yards:
https://youtu.be/FQearB6S6AU

Save guy at 200 yards:
https://youtu.be/ksDWEB3MaYs

Anyway, I’ve never owned an 870, but I am way more than satisfied with the 590A1, and will probably pick up a Shockwave in the next few months.

This is the model I bought: http://www.mossberg.com/product/590a1-9-shot-51668/.

Here’s what I did to it:

Enhanced safety switch:
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XS Sight Systems “Big Dot” front tritium sight:
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Post by puma guy » Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:46 pm

The Annoyed Man wrote:I wasn’t aware that they needed improving. The 500 model has been around for years, and has been in use by police departments for decades. The 590 model was designed in response to a request for an upgraded shotgun for the military. The Shockwave is just a shorty 590, so it ought to be at least as rugged as the full sized gun.
:thumbs2: :lol: I almost went there.
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Post by Rob72 » Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:28 pm

:mrgreen: Remington has some features that allows their action to be "smoother" faster, but, side-by-side quality of the Rem 870 express/Moss 500, and the 870 Police/Moss 590, is pretty parallel. Mossberg had some issues when they went auto, but the SPX is a smoother operator now (I have 2, and was an avowed inertial-action guy). Seriously considering the Shockwave as a coffee-table cannon.

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Post by AndyC » Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:48 pm

cmgee67 wrote:The mossberg I handled long ago was a maverick 88
Not a real Mossberg, IMO - the parts are made in Mexico. I've always found that model to be low-quality.
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