That was the only reason 99% of people used trusts or other entities before. While the new regs in 2016 made it easier for people who previously couldn't find an acceptable (to ATF) CLEO to sign off, they now require photo and fingerprints for all the "responsible parties" of the entity. I got two machine guns and a silencer in 2002 and 2005 and was able to get the Denton County Sheriff at the time to sign off. Now that no sign off required all the cool stuff (transferable machine guns) have gone up 200-400%. $25,000 for a transferable M16... Sorry, I'll spend the money to get licensed as a Type 07/02 FFL manufacturer and build my own toys...
Question: Chief Law Enforcement Office for NFA FORM 4 Notification
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Re: Question: Chief Law Enforcement Office for NFA FORM 4 Notification
Although the primary motivation for setting up a trust is gone, i.e. CLEO sign-off, there is still a good reason to have one. If you have NFA items in your name in your collection, passing them along to an heir can be problematic. If you have a trust, those heirs can be part of the trust and you can add people like grandchildren as time allows. It makes life easier for your spouse, kids, grandchildren, etc.
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If you have one NFA item not under a trust and one NFA item under a trust how can you move the one that is not under the trust to the trust?Charles L. Cotton wrote: ↑Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:31 pm Although the primary motivation for setting up a trust is gone, i.e. CLEO sign-off, there is still a good reason to have one. If you have NFA items in your name in your collection, passing them along to an heir can be problematic. If you have a trust, those heirs can be part of the trust and you can add people like grandchildren as time allows. It makes life easier for your spouse, kids, grandchildren, etc.
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If that is a tax-free transfer then you would use Form 5. If it's a taxable transfer, then it would be a Form 4 transfer. If it's taxable, it's not worth paying another $200. I added a link to my prior post. It's the BATFE letter on this issue.carlson1 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:33 pmIf you have one NFA item not under a trust and one NFA item under a trust how can you move the one that is not under the trust to the trust?Charles L. Cotton wrote: ↑Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:31 pm Although the primary motivation for setting up a trust is gone, i.e. CLEO sign-off, there is still a good reason to have one. If you have NFA items in your name in your collection, passing them along to an heir can be problematic. If you have a trust, those heirs can be part of the trust and you can add people like grandchildren as time allows. It makes life easier for your spouse, kids, grandchildren, etc.
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This is interesting as I am starting the same process. Called the McLennan County Sherrif's office. They referred me to Waco PD.
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You don't need to call them. Just put the information on the forms, and send it to whoever you choose that is on the ATFs list. They don't get to decide they don't want to deal with it.
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Curious as to what a County Sheriff or Chief of Police does with these notifications. Stick them in a drawer, throw them away or keep them readily accessible? Do they have any requirements by law to handle these notifications in a certain manner?
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They make their own list of places NOT to do "no knock entries" and to be very cautious around and patient when waiting after knocking politely on the door.
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Well my paperwork was just submitted and I mailed a copy of the Form 4 and the "Responsible Person" form for each member on my trust to the Denton County Sheriff.
This added requirement is a bummer but better than having to have a sign off. My other submissions a few years back were approved within 4 months but I hear I'm in for a longer wait this time. Guess I'll stock up on 9mm subsonic ammo in the meantime.
This added requirement is a bummer but better than having to have a sign off. My other submissions a few years back were approved within 4 months but I hear I'm in for a longer wait this time. Guess I'll stock up on 9mm subsonic ammo in the meantime.
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Yeah the new Denton County Sheriff said he would sign off if he was elected in 2015(?) (he was, and I voted for him), the previous one wouldn't.QB wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:02 pm Well my paperwork was just submitted and I mailed a copy of the Form 4 and the "Responsible Person" form for each member on my trust to the Denton County Sheriff.
This added requirement is a bummer but better than having to have a sign off. My other submissions a few years back were approved within 4 months but I hear I'm in for a longer wait this time. Guess I'll stock up on 9mm subsonic ammo in the meantime.
In early 2000's Sheriff Weldon Lucas would sign (or his designate Lt. Johnny Guest), but that was 15+ years ago...
Now with the new regs you don't need sign off, but every "responsible member" of an entity has to do fingerprints and photo. I suspect that slows things up. I really want to buy another machine gun, but I can't handle the prices. Maybe I'll buy a silencer for one of my AR-15's or my pistols.
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4/13/1996 Completed CHL Class, 4/16/1996 Fingerprints, Affidavits, and Application Mailed, 10/4/1996 Received CHL, renewed 1998, 2002, 2006, 2011, 2016...). "ATF... Uhhh...heh...heh....Alcohol, tobacco, and GUNS!! Cool!!!!"
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Yeah I got an email from the American Suppressor Association that they checks are getting cashed, but with the shutdown nothing is actually getting down with the paperwork.QB wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:02 pm Well my paperwork was just submitted and I mailed a copy of the Form 4 and the "Responsible Person" form for each member on my trust to the Denton County Sheriff.
This added requirement is a bummer but better than having to have a sign off. My other submissions a few years back were approved within 4 months but I hear I'm in for a longer wait this time. Guess I'll stock up on 9mm subsonic ammo in the meantime.
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I know you have to notify ATF if you transport a registered item across state lines non-commercially, but do you/they notify CLEO in the other state(s)?
I believe there's no ATF notification requirement to transport a registered item within the state, but what about moving within Texas? Does the CLEO there get notified? If so, can you list the TxAG or DPS chief as CLEO?
Thank you. I don't own any registered items yet but I'm considering it. I'm already on The List anyway, so what's a few bucks to legally "make" a SBR or integral hearing protection?
I believe there's no ATF notification requirement to transport a registered item within the state, but what about moving within Texas? Does the CLEO there get notified? If so, can you list the TxAG or DPS chief as CLEO?
Thank you. I don't own any registered items yet but I'm considering it. I'm already on The List anyway, so what's a few bucks to legally "make" a SBR or integral hearing protection?
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