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What would YOU do?

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Post by Oldgringo » Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:12 pm

Hypothetical question:

You, your SO and maybe your spawn, are in your neighborhood Walmart on a Saturday afternoon looking for bird feed, kitty litter, and some snackers, mixers, etc. Suddenly, you hear what you perceive to be gunshots! You are legally carrying your fully loaded, cocked and locked .45 cal louden boomer.

What do you do?
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Post by JustSomeOldGuy » Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:25 pm

In the absence of any tactical information beyond "you hear (maybe) gunshots?", my first order of business would be to insure me and mine don't get trampled by the resulting panicked stampede.
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Post by Tex1961 » Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:27 pm

Well, it sounds like I’m in the garden section, so I make sure the coast is clear and take my family out through the garden area back door.

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Post by Nickgibson72 » Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:32 pm

Ya I have to agree with Tex1961 here. My main priority is to get my family to safety, so I am heading for the nearest safe exit. The only way I am engaging a potential threat is if that threat is between my family and our exit.


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Re: What would YOU do?

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Post by hondo44 » Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:48 pm

Oldgringo wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:12 pm
Hypothetical question:

You, your SO and maybe your spawn, are in your neighborhood Walmart on a Saturday afternoon looking for bird feed, kitty litter, and some snackers, mixers, etc. Suddenly, you hear what you perceive to be gunshots! You are legally carrying your fully loaded, cocked and locked .45 cal louden boomer.

What do you do?
I would direct my wife and children to the nearest exit, then immediately proceed toward the sound of the shots. After closing within 50 meters I would engage the target(s), mostly with suppressive fire, to allow others to exit safely under cover.
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Post by ScottDLS » Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:53 pm

hondo44 wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:48 pm
Oldgringo wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:12 pm
Hypothetical question:

You, your SO and maybe your spawn, are in your neighborhood Walmart on a Saturday afternoon looking for bird feed, kitty litter, and some snackers, mixers, etc. Suddenly, you hear what you perceive to be gunshots! You are legally carrying your fully loaded, cocked and locked .45 cal louden boomer.

What do you do?
I would direct my wife and children to the nearest exit, then immediately proceed toward the sound of the shots. After closing within 50 meters I would engage the target(s), mostly with suppressive fire, to allow others to exit safely under cover.
50 yards and suppressive fire with a 1911? :smilelol5:

I on the other hand would be violating the grand Texas tradition of respect for property rights by open carrying my NFA registered belt fed M249 in Walmart contrary to the wishes of their shareholders (other than me) as expressed by their lily livered CEO. After setting it down on some bags of peat moss from the garden section, I would begin firing short controlled 5-10 round bursts toward the sound of the perp. Granted I was trained (by Marines) some 33 years ago on the larger M60, but I’m still a pretty good machine gunner with squad automatic weapon. After fishing a couple flash bangs and smoke grenades out of my go bag, I’d toss one smoker and one flashbang about 5 seconds apart. I’d then run in a zig zag pattern toward the perp, carrying at least one of my ammo cases of linked 5.56 (M855 and tracer mix). After a good string of 25-50rd long bursts from the SAW, I’d pull out my suppressed SIG P226 and pump a few 147gr HP slugs into the bad guy. I’d then begin filling out the paperwork for the NFA registered grenades that I tossed (technically classified as destructive devices) in order to get them out of the registry. Only then would I head over to the beer case and pick up a couple 24pz 14% Steel Reserve Malt liquors or maybe one or two OE 800 40’s and risk a class B misdemeanor for consuming alcohol in an off premises permitted location. While waiting for the meat wagon to show up, I’d pull out my CHL Badge and Permit Holder lanyard and put it on to let the first responders know I am a state certified good guy! :???:
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Re: What would YOU do?

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Post by 03Lightningrocks » Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:57 pm

ScottDLS wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:53 pm
hondo44 wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:48 pm
Oldgringo wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:12 pm
Hypothetical question:

You, your SO and maybe your spawn, are in your neighborhood Walmart on a Saturday afternoon looking for bird feed, kitty litter, and some snackers, mixers, etc. Suddenly, you hear what you perceive to be gunshots! You are legally carrying your fully loaded, cocked and locked .45 cal louden boomer.

What do you do?
I would direct my wife and children to the nearest exit, then immediately proceed toward the sound of the shots. After closing within 50 meters I would engage the target(s), mostly with suppressive fire, to allow others to exit safely under cover.
50 yards and suppressive fire with a 1911? :smilelol5:

I on the other hand would be violating the grand Texas tradition of respect for property rights by open carrying my NFA registered belt fed M249 in Walmart contrary to the wishes of their shareholders (other than me) as expressed by their lily livered CEO. After setting it down on some bags of peat moss from the garden section, I would begin firing short controlled 5-10 round bursts toward the sound of the perp. Granted I was trained (by Marines) some 33 years ago on the larger M60, but I’m still a pretty good machine gunner with squad automatic weapon. After fishing a couple flash bangs and smoke grenades out of my go bag, I’d toss one smoker and one flashbang about 5 seconds apart. I’d then run in a zig zag pattern toward the perp, carrying at least one of my ammo cases of linked 5.56 (M855 and tracer mix). After a good string of 25-50rd long bursts from the SAW, I’d pull out my suppressed SIG P226 and pump a few 147gr HP slugs into the bad guy. I’d then begin filling out the paperwork for the NFA registered grenades that I tossed (technically classified as destructive devices) in order to get them out of the registry. Only then would I head over to the beer case and pick up a couple 24pz 14% Steel Reserve Malt liquors or maybe one or two OE 800 40’s and risk a class B misdemeanor for consuming alcohol in an off premises permitted location. While waiting for the meat wagon to show up, I’d pull out my CHL Badge and Permit Holder lanyard and put it on to let the first responders know I am a state certified good guy! :???:
This right here is what I call greatness. I almost busted my gut laughing reading this. :smilelol5: :smilelol5: :smilelol5:

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Re: What would YOU do?

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Post by AndyC » Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:50 am

Oldgringo wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:12 pm
What do you do?
Head towards the sound of the gunfire.
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Post by WTR » Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:12 am

AndyC wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:50 am
Oldgringo wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:12 pm
What do you do?
Head towards the sound of the gunfire.
:iagree: My consious would not allow otherwise


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Post by crazy2medic » Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:00 am

ScottDLS wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:53 pm
hondo44 wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:48 pm
Oldgringo wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:12 pm
Hypothetical question:

You, your SO and maybe your spawn, are in your neighborhood Walmart on a Saturday afternoon looking for bird feed, kitty litter, and some snackers, mixers, etc. Suddenly, you hear what you perceive to be gunshots! You are legally carrying your fully loaded, cocked and locked .45 cal louden boomer.

What do you do?
I would direct my wife and children to the nearest exit, then immediately proceed toward the sound of the shots. After closing within 50 meters I would engage the target(s), mostly with suppressive fire, to allow others to exit safely under cover.
50 yards and suppressive fire with a 1911? :smilelol5:

I on the other hand would be violating the grand Texas tradition of respect for property rights by open carrying my NFA registered belt fed M249 in Walmart contrary to the wishes of their shareholders (other than me) as expressed by their lily livered CEO. After setting it down on some bags of peat moss from the garden section, I would begin firing short controlled 5-10 round bursts toward the sound of the perp. Granted I was trained (by Marines) some 33 years ago on the larger M60, but I’m still a pretty good machine gunner with squad automatic weapon. After fishing a couple flash bangs and smoke grenades out of my go bag, I’d toss one smoker and one flashbang about 5 seconds apart. I’d then run in a zig zag pattern toward the perp, carrying at least one of my ammo cases of linked 5.56 (M855 and tracer mix). After a good string of 25-50rd long bursts from the SAW, I’d pull out my suppressed SIG P226 and pump a few 147gr HP slugs into the bad guy. I’d then begin filling out the paperwork for the NFA registered grenades that I tossed (technically classified as destructive devices) in order to get them out of the registry. Only then would I head over to the beer case and pick up a couple 24pz 14% Steel Reserve Malt liquors or maybe one or two OE 800 40’s and risk a class B misdemeanor for consuming alcohol in an off premises permitted location. While waiting for the meat wagon to show up, I’d pull out my CHL Badge and Permit Holder lanyard and put it on to let the first responders know I am a state certified good guy! :???:
I think your stand off use of a 105 utilizing beehive rounds would be a better option!
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Post by Vol Texan » Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:13 am

crazy2medic wrote: I think your stand off use of a 105 utilizing beehive rounds would be a better option!
Do I hear the words of another tanker on here?!?
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Me: (using my favorite phrase). From my position...
Pause...
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Post by Grayling813 » Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:46 am

hondo44 wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:48 pm
After closing within 50 meters I would engage the target(s), mostly with suppressive fire, to allow others to exit safely under cover.
From 150 feet away you would pray and spray, hoping that none of your rounds strikes an innocent citizen?
How often do you practice with a pistol from 50 meters?
What’s your hit on target ratio at that range? Against a moving target?
What’s the difference between the perpetrator’s careless bullet that kills a child and yours?
You understand that you will be held responsible for every bullet that leaves your barrel?
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Post by RPBrown » Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:25 am

ScottDLS wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:53 pm
hondo44 wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:48 pm
Oldgringo wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:12 pm
Hypothetical question:

You, your SO and maybe your spawn, are in your neighborhood Walmart on a Saturday afternoon looking for bird feed, kitty litter, and some snackers, mixers, etc. Suddenly, you hear what you perceive to be gunshots! You are legally carrying your fully loaded, cocked and locked .45 cal louden boomer.

What do you do?
I would direct my wife and children to the nearest exit, then immediately proceed toward the sound of the shots. After closing within 50 meters I would engage the target(s), mostly with suppressive fire, to allow others to exit safely under cover.
50 yards and suppressive fire with a 1911? :smilelol5:

I on the other hand would be violating the grand Texas tradition of respect for property rights by open carrying my NFA registered belt fed M249 in Walmart contrary to the wishes of their shareholders (other than me) as expressed by their lily livered CEO. After setting it down on some bags of peat moss from the garden section, I would begin firing short controlled 5-10 round bursts toward the sound of the perp. Granted I was trained (by Marines) some 33 years ago on the larger M60, but I’m still a pretty good machine gunner with squad automatic weapon. After fishing a couple flash bangs and smoke grenades out of my go bag, I’d toss one smoker and one flashbang about 5 seconds apart. I’d then run in a zig zag pattern toward the perp, carrying at least one of my ammo cases of linked 5.56 (M855 and tracer mix). After a good string of 25-50rd long bursts from the SAW, I’d pull out my suppressed SIG P226 and pump a few 147gr HP slugs into the bad guy. I’d then begin filling out the paperwork for the NFA registered grenades that I tossed (technically classified as destructive devices) in order to get them out of the registry. Only then would I head over to the beer case and pick up a couple 24pz 14% Steel Reserve Malt liquors or maybe one or two OE 800 40’s and risk a class B misdemeanor for consuming alcohol in an off premises permitted location. While waiting for the meat wagon to show up, I’d pull out my CHL Badge and Permit Holder lanyard and put it on to let the first responders know I am a state certified good guy! :???:
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To answer the question though, my first objective would be to see to my families safety, either by finding a way to get them out or finding good cover. I would then try to become as good of a witness as I could. If the perp came close enough, I would probably confront him/her (politically correctness) with a round CM, but in no way am I going to try to shoot him/her with my 1911 from 50 yards away. This ain't the movies and I ain't Clint Eastwood.
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Post by montgomery » Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:08 am

hondo44 wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:48 pm
Oldgringo wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:12 pm
Hypothetical question:

You, your SO and maybe your spawn, are in your neighborhood Walmart on a Saturday afternoon looking for bird feed, kitty litter, and some snackers, mixers, etc. Suddenly, you hear what you perceive to be gunshots! You are legally carrying your fully loaded, cocked and locked .45 cal louden boomer.

What do you do?
I would direct my wife and children to the nearest exit, then immediately proceed toward the sound of the shots. After closing within 50 meters I would engage the target(s), mostly with suppressive fire, to allow others to exit safely under cover.
Suppressive fire. At 50 meters. In a crowded Walmart? That looks suspiciously like an active shooter to law enforcement and those shots will have a million dollar legal bill attached to them when they hit an innocent bystander instead of the VCA. :shock:

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Post by Middle Age Russ » Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:46 am

Seek exit from the vicinity for my party by using cover/concealment wherever possible and transiting open spaces as quickly and low-profile as possible, being ready to engage with the shooter at any point along the way. Assist others along the way where possible. My duty is to my loved ones first and foremost.
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