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Re: Woman accidentally kills herself at shooting range

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Post by Excaliber » Fri Nov 08, 2013 12:15 pm

Charles L. Cotton wrote:This is really tragic, but . . .

A .500 S&W is a revolver --- she fires first round and the recoil both raises her arms and quite probably rotates her wrists also. I have two problems with this explanation. First, the .500 S&W has a long barrel and I can't see it pointing at her head at maximum recoil; it should be over her head. More importantly, I would be more than a little surprised to see her pull a double action trigger the 2nd time while the gun was in recoil or the upper-most recoil position.

I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but it'd take a lot, I mean a lot, of evidence for me to be convinced.

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I'm with you on this.

I suppose it's remotely possible that the violence of the recoil combined with a twisting of the arms could possibly result in the trigger being pulled by the recoil itself with the finger in the trigger guard, but that would be a really far out freak accident.
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Post by VMI77 » Fri Nov 08, 2013 1:10 pm

Excaliber wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:This is really tragic, but . . .

A .500 S&W is a revolver --- she fires first round and the recoil both raises her arms and quite probably rotates her wrists also. I have two problems with this explanation. First, the .500 S&W has a long barrel and I can't see it pointing at her head at maximum recoil; it should be over her head. More importantly, I would be more than a little surprised to see her pull a double action trigger the 2nd time while the gun was in recoil or the upper-most recoil position.

I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but it'd take a lot, I mean a lot, of evidence for me to be convinced.

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I'm with you on this.

I suppose it's remotely possible that the violence of the recoil combined with a twisting of the arms could possibly result in the trigger being pulled by the recoil itself with the finger in the trigger guard, but that would be a really far out freak accident.
These were also my first thoughts....but this video makes it seem a little more plausible:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8NDGxzl ... verified=1

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On another site a commenter claimed to be a member of the range where this incident happened. According to his comment, the family has video of the accident that was given to LE.
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Re: Woman accidentally kills herself at shooting range

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Post by E.Marquez » Fri Nov 08, 2013 1:15 pm

Excaliber wrote: I suppose it's remotely possible that the violence of the recoil combined with a twisting of the arms could possibly result in the trigger being pulled by the recoil itself with the finger in the trigger guard, but that would be a really far out freak accident.
After personally witnessing, investigating, reviewing the investigations of literally hundreds of Negligent discharges that resulted in death, injury and or in most cases embarrassment.. From US, French, Polish, Canadian, Iraq and Afghanistan folks I can say without a doubt no method of ND reported to me is viewed as impossible or not plausible.

For sure each needs to be looked at interdependently with no preconceived notions it was or was not a intentional discharge, or ND with or without malice.. But nothing would surprise me at this point.
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Post by WildBill » Fri Nov 08, 2013 1:49 pm

I am not commenting on the legal ramifications of this video, but it really illustrates the stupidity of some gun owners.
Giving a firearm to an inexperienced shooter for a the sole purpose of recording a video to record their reaction is irresponsible.
This is another example of the stupidity of some gun owners that provides justification for gun control.
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Post by philip964 » Fri Nov 08, 2013 2:47 pm

It is popular to show videos of attractive young women firing a .500 gun for the first time. Same with car surfing, etc., etc. on youtube.

I'm not surprised to learn they were shooting video of this. Very sad.

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Post by WildBill » Fri Nov 08, 2013 4:05 pm

philip964 wrote:It is popular to show videos of attractive young women firing a .500 gun for the first time. Same with car surfing, etc., etc. on youtube.

I'm not surprised to learn they were shooting video of this. Very sad.
The people who set up to record these videos are immature, stupid, selfish, useless, idiotic, morons, imbeciles ...
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Post by Dave2 » Fri Nov 08, 2013 10:29 pm

WildBill wrote:
philip964 wrote:It is popular to show videos of attractive young women firing a .500 gun for the first time. Same with car surfing, etc., etc. on youtube.

I'm not surprised to learn they were shooting video of this. Very sad.
The people who set up to record these videos are immature, stupid, selfish, useless, idiotic, morons, imbeciles ...
Did I forget any adjectives?
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Post by kragluver » Fri Nov 08, 2013 10:51 pm

I had heard of a similar case to this several years back. Tall boyfriend gives short statured girlfriend his semi-auto, then stands directly behind her with his head above hers while she shoots. The recoil caused the pistol to drive up and back with the muzzle just beneath boyfriends chin - where she triggered a second round.

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Post by Amonix » Sat Nov 09, 2013 2:41 am

After looking at the youtube with the chick shooting that gun. Wow, the recoil on that gun would scare the day lights out of me. I think the sheer force would dislocate my shoulder (its pretty easy to do these days I have nice video of me throwing a soccer ball and doing it). When I first learned to shot a weapon my father, mother, uncle, and I think my grandfather shot before me showing me how to hold and safety. I don't think I would ever shoot a weapon that looked that bad on recoil due to my shoulder. I passed up the opportunity to shoot an AR-15 while at the range because I was really not sure proper handling and I didn't feel comfortable taking a risk. The owner of the gun was friendly and trying to encourage me but after the 3rd time of no, I just don't feel safe doing it.

Guess we just have some people who don't understand common sense or safety with something that can harm you.
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Post by Dave2 » Sat Nov 09, 2013 3:29 am

Amonix wrote:After looking at the youtube with the chick shooting that gun. Wow, the recoil on that gun would scare the day lights out of me. I think the sheer force would dislocate my shoulder (its pretty easy to do these days I have nice video of me throwing a soccer ball and doing it).
Kinda OT, but if it's that easy to dislocate, how hard is it to, um, "re"locate?
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Post by WildBill » Sat Nov 09, 2013 11:10 am

Dave2 wrote:
Amonix wrote:After looking at the youtube with the chick shooting that gun. Wow, the recoil on that gun would scare the day lights out of me. I think the sheer force would dislocate my shoulder (its pretty easy to do these days I have nice video of me throwing a soccer ball and doing it).
Kinda OT, but if it's that easy to dislocate, how hard is it to, um, "re"locate?
I have never done it personally, but have watched several coaches pull on the arm and pop the joint back in place. This was a long time ago - now they probably would take them to a doctor.

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Post by jimlongley » Sat Nov 09, 2013 5:56 pm

Charles L. Cotton wrote:This is really tragic, but . . .

A .500 S&W is a revolver --- she fires first round and the recoil both raises her arms and quite probably rotates her wrists also. I have two problems with this explanation. First, the .500 S&W has a long barrel and I can't see it pointing at her head at maximum recoil; it should be over her head. More importantly, I would be more than a little surprised to see her pull a double action trigger the 2nd time while the gun was in recoil or the upper-most recoil position.

I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but it'd take a lot, I mean a lot, of evidence for me to be convinced.

Chas.
This is another YouTube video of someone firing a .500 S&W a second time while it is in recoil. I think what happened in this and the other video, is that the shooter's finger came off the trigger for long enough for it to reset, and then as the recoil continued, the finger got back on the trigger, which is light enough to be pulled in DA, and fired the gun again.

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I fired a friends some years ago, and can say that I did not allow it to get away from me on recoil, but after firing five rounds I was surprised to note that there ws blood coming out of the meat of my thumb. No cut, abrasion or other obvious injury, just blood coming out of my skin.
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Post by WildBill » Sat Nov 09, 2013 6:45 pm

jimlongley wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:This is really tragic, but . . .

A .500 S&W is a revolver --- she fires first round and the recoil both raises her arms and quite probably rotates her wrists also. I have two problems with this explanation. First, the .500 S&W has a long barrel and I can't see it pointing at her head at maximum recoil; it should be over her head. More importantly, I would be more than a little surprised to see her pull a double action trigger the 2nd time while the gun was in recoil or the upper-most recoil position.

I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but it'd take a lot, I mean a lot, of evidence for me to be convinced.

Chas.
This is another YouTube video of someone firing a .500 S&W a second time while it is in recoil. I think what happened in this and the other video, is that the shooter's finger came off the trigger for long enough for it to reset, and then as the recoil continued, the finger got back on the trigger, which is light enough to be pulled in DA, and fired the gun again.

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I fired a friends some years ago, and can say that I did not allow it to get away from me on recoil, but after firing five rounds I was surprised to note that there ws blood coming out of the meat of my thumb. No cut, abrasion or other obvious injury, just blood coming out of my skin.
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Post by Amonix » Mon Nov 11, 2013 12:07 am

Dave2 wrote:
Amonix wrote:After looking at the youtube with the chick shooting that gun. Wow, the recoil on that gun would scare the day lights out of me. I think the sheer force would dislocate my shoulder (its pretty easy to do these days I have nice video of me throwing a soccer ball and doing it).
Kinda OT, but if it's that easy to dislocate, how hard is it to, um, "re"locate?
Usually after doing it simply walking will cause it to bounce back into place. The first 3 times I had to have it done in the ER because it wouldn't move. The last 8 or so times I can pop it by letting it hang loose and walking upright. My Ex-Fiance was an OT who used to then do kinesio taping to keep it stable for a week.
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Post by TREKFAN » Mon Nov 11, 2013 2:25 pm

http://youtu.be/DFAApRUH094

Crazy chick does it with one hand ! Gotta see.
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