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Lack of situational awareness + no plan to act

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Post by E.Marquez » Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:18 am



Even those who have made a decision to not carry a firearm for personal protection need to consider the what if's and have a plan in mind.
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Post by Texas_Blaze » Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:17 pm

Don’t know why the farther went back to record with his cell phone. You got your kids, now get your tail inside, and call the police. That made no sense to me. He almost was murdered.
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Re: Lack of situational awareness + no plan to act

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Post by 03Lightningrocks » Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:32 pm

Texas_Blaze wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:17 pm
Don’t know why the farther went back to record with his cell phone. You got your kids, now get your tail inside, and call the police. That made no sense to me. He almost was murdered.
I thought the same thing. Cell phones have turned an entire generation into morons. I would bet everything that if he would have not had a cell phone that videos, he would not have whipped out the home video camera and gone back outside. Just think of how many hits a video of him getting himself shot would have gotten on you tube. :coolgleamA:

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Re: Lack of situational awareness + no plan to act

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Post by Oldgringo » Sat Oct 19, 2019 4:05 pm

The gun incident not withstanding, why were the unlicensed kids riding unlicensed motor vehicles in a city street? :banghead:

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Re: Lack of situational awareness + no plan to act

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Post by flintknapper » Sat Oct 19, 2019 4:22 pm

In total I saw I four people acting stupidly, just to different degrees.

1. Kids should NOT be riding motorized vehicles on a public street.
2. Aggressor should NOT be out there accosting the kids, should have called LEO.
3. 'Dad' should have quickly gathered up the kids and gone HOME! He dang near learned a very hard lesson.

Bottom line: LOTS of poor decision making on that street.
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Re: Lack of situational awareness + no plan to act

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Post by The Annoyed Man » Sat Oct 19, 2019 4:34 pm

03Lightningrocks wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:32 pm
Texas_Blaze wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:17 pm
Don’t know why the farther went back to record with his cell phone. You got your kids, now get your tail inside, and call the police. That made no sense to me. He almost was murdered.
I thought the same thing. Cell phones have turned an entire generation into morons. I would bet everything that if he would have not had a cell phone that videos, he would not have whipped out the home video camera and gone back outside. Just think of how many hits a video of him getting himself shot would have gotten on you tube. :coolgleamA:
I also suspect that dad is not someone who carries a firearm himself. I don’t say that because of cellphone, but because he wasn’t thinking tactically......not even wrongly tactically. It seems to me that someone experienced in carrying a gun would probably not have gone back out there in the first place; but if he was dumb enough to go back out there, that he’d have at least brought along a gun of his own.

This dad believed in the power of the cellphone as a shield against a pistol. A gun guy would have known better and brought a gun along. A SMART gun guy would have stayed inside with his kids and used the cellphone to call police. Instead, the NEIGHBORS called the police.

Dad must have lost his mind.
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Re: Lack of situational awareness + no plan to act

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Post by 03Lightningrocks » Sat Oct 19, 2019 4:42 pm

The Annoyed Man wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 4:34 pm
03Lightningrocks wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:32 pm
Texas_Blaze wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:17 pm
Don’t know why the farther went back to record with his cell phone. You got your kids, now get your tail inside, and call the police. That made no sense to me. He almost was murdered.
I thought the same thing. Cell phones have turned an entire generation into morons. I would bet everything that if he would have not had a cell phone that videos, he would not have whipped out the home video camera and gone back outside. Just think of how many hits a video of him getting himself shot would have gotten on you tube. :coolgleamA:
I also suspect that dad is not someone who carries a firearm himself. I don’t say that because of cellphone, but because he wasn’t thinking tactically......not even wrongly tactically. It seems to me that someone experienced in carrying a gun would probably not have gone back out there in the first place; but if he was dumb enough to go back out there, that he’d have at least brought along a gun of his own.

This dad believed in the power of the cellphone as a shield against a pistol. A gun guy would have known better and brought a gun along. A SMART gun guy would have stayed inside with his kids and used the cellphone to call police. Instead, the NEIGHBORS called the police.

Dad must have lost his mind.
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Re: Lack of situational awareness + no plan to act

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Post by Oldgringo » Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:43 pm

flintknapper wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 4:22 pm
In total I saw I four people acting stupidly, just to different degrees.

1. Kids should NOT be riding motorized vehicles on a public street.
2. Aggressor should NOT be out there accosting the kids, should have called LEO.
3. 'Dad' should have quickly gathered up the kids and gone HOME! He dang near learned a very hard lesson.

Bottom line: LOTS of poor decision making on that street.
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Post by C-dub » Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:04 pm

The Annoyed Man wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 4:34 pm
03Lightningrocks wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:32 pm
Texas_Blaze wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:17 pm
Don’t know why the farther went back to record with his cell phone. You got your kids, now get your tail inside, and call the police. That made no sense to me. He almost was murdered.
I thought the same thing. Cell phones have turned an entire generation into morons. I would bet everything that if he would have not had a cell phone that videos, he would not have whipped out the home video camera and gone back outside. Just think of how many hits a video of him getting himself shot would have gotten on you tube. :coolgleamA:
I also suspect that dad is not someone who carries a firearm himself. I don’t say that because of cellphone, but because he wasn’t thinking tactically......not even wrongly tactically. It seems to me that someone experienced in carrying a gun would probably not have gone back out there in the first place; but if he was dumb enough to go back out there, that he’d have at least brought along a gun of his own.

This dad believed in the power of the cellphone as a shield against a pistol. A gun guy would have known better and brought a gun along. A SMART gun guy would have stayed inside with his kids and used the cellphone to call police. Instead, the NEIGHBORS called the police.

Dad must have lost his mind.
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Re: Lack of situational awareness + no plan to act

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Post by The Annoyed Man » Sat Oct 19, 2019 9:18 pm

C-dub wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:04 pm
The Annoyed Man wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 4:34 pm
03Lightningrocks wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:32 pm
Texas_Blaze wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:17 pm
Don’t know why the farther went back to record with his cell phone. You got your kids, now get your tail inside, and call the police. That made no sense to me. He almost was murdered.
I thought the same thing. Cell phones have turned an entire generation into morons. I would bet everything that if he would have not had a cell phone that videos, he would not have whipped out the home video camera and gone back outside. Just think of how many hits a video of him getting himself shot would have gotten on you tube. :coolgleamA:
I also suspect that dad is not someone who carries a firearm himself. I don’t say that because of cellphone, but because he wasn’t thinking tactically......not even wrongly tactically. It seems to me that someone experienced in carrying a gun would probably not have gone back out there in the first place; but if he was dumb enough to go back out there, that he’d have at least brought along a gun of his own.

This dad believed in the power of the cellphone as a shield against a pistol. A gun guy would have known better and brought a gun along. A SMART gun guy would have stayed inside with his kids and used the cellphone to call police. Instead, the NEIGHBORS called the police.

Dad must have lost his mind.
C'mon TAM, you know better than underestimate the stupidity of people. :biggrinjester:
I didn’t forget. I’m usually disappointed....in a good way....if someone isn’t stupid—since stupid is what I expect these days.

It’s why I’m so annoyed the rest of the time. :lol:
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Re: Lack of situational awareness + no plan to act

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Post by flintknapper » Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:59 am

The Annoyed Man wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 9:18 pm
C-dub wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:04 pm
The Annoyed Man wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 4:34 pm
03Lightningrocks wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:32 pm
Texas_Blaze wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:17 pm
Don’t know why the farther went back to record with his cell phone. You got your kids, now get your tail inside, and call the police. That made no sense to me. He almost was murdered.
I thought the same thing. Cell phones have turned an entire generation into morons. I would bet everything that if he would have not had a cell phone that videos, he would not have whipped out the home video camera and gone back outside. Just think of how many hits a video of him getting himself shot would have gotten on you tube. :coolgleamA:
I also suspect that dad is not someone who carries a firearm himself. I don’t say that because of cellphone, but because he wasn’t thinking tactically......not even wrongly tactically. It seems to me that someone experienced in carrying a gun would probably not have gone back out there in the first place; but if he was dumb enough to go back out there, that he’d have at least brought along a gun of his own.

This dad believed in the power of the cellphone as a shield against a pistol. A gun guy would have known better and brought a gun along. A SMART gun guy would have stayed inside with his kids and used the cellphone to call police. Instead, the NEIGHBORS called the police.

Dad must have lost his mind.
C'mon TAM, you know better than underestimate the stupidity of people. :biggrinjester:
I didn’t forget. I’m usually disappointed....in a good way....if someone isn’t stupid—since stupid is what I expect these days.

It’s why I’m so annoyed the rest of the time. :lol:
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Post by LDP » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:51 pm

So this seems to have happened in UT.
Does anybody have any follow-up information? Was the assailant charged with attempted murder, abuse of a minor etc?

Surely, those highly praised red-flag laws would have prevented this encounter, no? *rolleyes*


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Post by RSX11 » Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:29 pm

Does anybody have any follow-up information? Was the assailant charged with attempted murder
The shooter, RIchard Lindem, was charged with 3rd degree felony child abuse, aggravated assault, and discharging a firearm. He was heavily intoxicated when arrested.

Interestingly, the father was interviewed on camera, and stated that he was advancing toward Lindem intending to kick his butt - I wonder if Lindem's defense will be able to do anything with that statement? I wouldn't think so, but, I'm no laywer.


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Post by montgomery » Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:42 pm

Small of back carry AND Weaver stance? Dude has issues.

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Post by 03Lightningrocks » Mon Oct 21, 2019 6:00 pm

RSX11 wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:29 pm
Does anybody have any follow-up information? Was the assailant charged with attempted murder
The shooter, RIchard Lindem, was charged with 3rd degree felony child abuse, aggravated assault, and discharging a firearm. He was heavily intoxicated when arrested.

Interestingly, the father was interviewed on camera, and stated that he was advancing toward Lindem intending to kick his butt - I wonder if Lindem's defense will be able to do anything with that statement? I wouldn't think so, but, I'm no laywer.
I wonder why they left off attempted murder?

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