H.R.38: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act

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Re: H.R.38: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act

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Post by bblhd672 » Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:06 pm

rotor wrote:
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skeathley wrote:I think many people are over-reacting to this. Trump is a simple man on some levels, but very complex on others. He dangles carrots, out-thinks, and out-flanks his opponents. Like someone said recently, he plays chess, not checkers. I don't like what he has said about gun rights, but this game is not over. I think we should wait and see what happens. He may will surprise us all.

Of course, if he does throw us under the bus, bashing him now will not change that, but it will give comfort to our enemies.

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Trump was POTUS for more than a year before the Cruz V-Day massacre. During that time, the House and Senate had Republican majorities. Therefore, I conclude their failure to pass national reciprocity has absolutely nothing to do with those murders and everything to do with their real views on RKBA.

They are of course welcome to prove me wrong, preferably before November.
There is a limit of what one can do without 60 senate votes. I realize that you know this but it takes 60.
Not really, it takes 51 Republicans with the patriotism necessary to overcome Senate rules and decorum. Unfortunately that will never happen. They like their rules because it allows them to hide instead of doing the things their constituents want done.


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Re: H.R.38: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act

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Post by rotor » Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:49 pm

bblhd672 wrote:
rotor wrote:
apostate wrote:
skeathley wrote:I think many people are over-reacting to this. Trump is a simple man on some levels, but very complex on others. He dangles carrots, out-thinks, and out-flanks his opponents. Like someone said recently, he plays chess, not checkers. I don't like what he has said about gun rights, but this game is not over. I think we should wait and see what happens. He may will surprise us all.

Of course, if he does throw us under the bus, bashing him now will not change that, but it will give comfort to our enemies.

:txflag:
Trump was POTUS for more than a year before the Cruz V-Day massacre. During that time, the House and Senate had Republican majorities. Therefore, I conclude their failure to pass national reciprocity has absolutely nothing to do with those murders and everything to do with their real views on RKBA.

They are of course welcome to prove me wrong, preferably before November.
There is a limit of what one can do without 60 senate votes. I realize that you know this but it takes 60.
Not really, it takes 51 Republicans with the patriotism necessary to overcome Senate rules and decorum. Unfortunately that will never happen. They like their rules because it allows them to hide instead of doing the things their constituents want done.
Actually, doesn't it just take the Senate majority leader to change the rules? One man.


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Post by chasfm11 » Sat May 05, 2018 8:31 am

I had the opportunity to speak in person with Representative Hudson who originated this bill yesterday at NRA Convention. From his speech at the podium for the Executive Leadership session, he said that he is hopeful that they can get enough votes in the Senate this year.

I asked him if he really believed that they can get enough Democratic votes in the Senate for passage. He said that they believe that they have 6 but would need 9 with the current Senate population (before the mid-terms). I specifically asked about push back from NY, NJ, CA and MD who likely would see the most harm to their existing policies from this bill. He didn't believe that they would have any special influence if the actual voting Senators could be identified.

I sure would like to see a big "call your Senators" push in advance of a scheduled vote. I don't pretend to understand National level politics but making Democrats defend themselves from a push by gun owners might help even it the votes are not yet there.
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Post by ScottDLS » Sat May 05, 2018 9:05 am

rotor wrote:
bblhd672 wrote:
rotor wrote:
apostate wrote:
skeathley wrote:I think many people are over-reacting to this. Trump is a simple man on some levels, but very complex on others. He dangles carrots, out-thinks, and out-flanks his opponents. Like someone said recently, he plays chess, not checkers. I don't like what he has said about gun rights, but this game is not over. I think we should wait and see what happens. He may will surprise us all.

Of course, if he does throw us under the bus, bashing him now will not change that, but it will give comfort to our enemies.

:txflag:
Trump was POTUS for more than a year before the Cruz V-Day massacre. During that time, the House and Senate had Republican majorities. Therefore, I conclude their failure to pass national reciprocity has absolutely nothing to do with those murders and everything to do with their real views on RKBA.

They are of course welcome to prove me wrong, preferably before November.
There is a limit of what one can do without 60 senate votes. I realize that you know this but it takes 60.


Not really, it takes 51 Republicans with the patriotism necessary to overcome Senate rules and decorum. Unfortunately that will never happen. They like their rules because it allows them to hide instead of doing the things their constituents want done.
Actually, doesn't it just take the Senate majority leader to change the rules? One man.
The majority leader can change the rules, but the full Senate by majority has to approve the rule change. Time to invoke the Reid rule.
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Post by Abraham » Sat May 05, 2018 11:27 am

Any hope if the reciprocity bill is passed it'll also be standardized throughout the states?

O.K., O.K., dumb question as each state will insist on their own set of rules that'll require scholarly study if you don't want to end up in the slammer. (or...am I, now whispering... wrong?)


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Post by chasfm11 » Sat May 05, 2018 11:43 am

Abraham wrote:Any hope if the reciprocity bill is passed it'll also be standardized throughout the states?

O.K., O.K., dumb question as each state will insist on their own set of rules that'll require scholarly study if you don't want to end up in the slammer. (or...am I, now whispering... wrong?)
I have no real idea about standardization. I can tell you this. RV rules are anything BUT standard across the States. For example, we have a motor home and tow a car behind it. When you start reading the rules for "trailers", it isn't at all clear State to State what is and what isn't a trailer. It gets more murky about whether or not the "trailer" has to have its own brakes. In Texas, the limit for that is 4,500lbs while other States require trailer brakes at 1,500lbs. There is a Federal guideline for requiring a special driver's license for vehicles weighing more than 26,000lbs and RV type trailers weighing more than 10,000lbs and many States have a similar rule - but not all of them.

Given the nature of firearms in politics, I cannot imagine that rules governing them would be more standard than that. And that probably is a good thing. And I have no illusions about, after National reciprocity passes, some of the most anti-gun States trying to pass laws to get around it. I'm sure that it would make Maryland politicians' heads explode to allow me and my Texas LTC in their State. I do understand that Western Maryland and the Eastern Shore would be very sympathetic but neither of those areas has much say in MD politics today. MD, NJ and NY definite WANT you and I to spend jail time for our abhorrent ideas on guns.
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Post by bigtek » Sat May 05, 2018 12:22 pm

chasfm11 wrote:Given the nature of firearms in politics, I cannot imagine that rules governing them would be more standard than that. And that probably is a good thing. And I have no illusions about, after National reciprocity passes, some of the most anti-gun States trying to pass laws to get around it. I'm sure that it would make Maryland politicians' heads explode to allow me and my Texas LTC in their State. I do understand that Western Maryland and the Eastern Shore would be very sympathetic but neither of those areas has much say in MD politics today. MD, NJ and NY definite WANT you and I to spend jail time for our abhorrent ideas on guns.
National reciprocity should be an amendment to LEOSA § 926C and citizens with a license to carry from any state should have the same right to keep and bear arms as qualified retired law enforcement officers. Who can rationally object to that reasonable restriction?
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Post by der Teufel » Sat May 05, 2018 2:07 pm

bblhd672 wrote: Not really, it takes 51 Republicans with the patriotism necessary to overcome Senate rules and decorum. Unfortunately that will never happen. They like their rules because it allows them to hide instead of doing the things their constituents want done.
There are a lot of things I'd like to see congress do, but also many that I don't want done. The 60 vote rule both helps and hinders both parties. The democrats deleted that rule for federal appointees except for the SCOTUS and I suspect many of them regret doing it now that they're no longer in control.

If we take a "My way or the highway" approach and wipe out all the opposition tools, one of these days we'll find ourselves out on the highway. Republicans will not always hold the majority in congress and we'd be inviting retaliation and worse.
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Post by Abraham » Sat May 05, 2018 2:37 pm

...and one day, none this will matter...

Politics and keeping up with it has pretty much exhausted my give a darn factor.

Given there's little I can do except vote and urge others to vote, chastise the left, I'm pretty much out of ammo...


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Post by apostate » Tue May 08, 2018 1:02 pm

rotor wrote:
apostate wrote:
skeathley wrote:I think many people are over-reacting to this. Trump is a simple man on some levels, but very complex on others. He dangles carrots, out-thinks, and out-flanks his opponents. Like someone said recently, he plays chess, not checkers. I don't like what he has said about gun rights, but this game is not over. I think we should wait and see what happens. He may will surprise us all.

Of course, if he does throw us under the bus, bashing him now will not change that, but it will give comfort to our enemies.

:txflag:
Trump was POTUS for more than a year before the Cruz V-Day massacre. During that time, the House and Senate had Republican majorities. Therefore, I conclude their failure to pass national reciprocity has absolutely nothing to do with those murders and everything to do with their real views on RKBA.

They are of course welcome to prove me wrong, preferably before November.
There is a limit of what one can do without 60 senate votes. I realize that you know this but it takes 60.
Shall I take it then, that you agree Las Vegas and Parkland are red herring excuses, and are not reasons we don't have national reciprocity yet?
I'm too old for this...


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Re: H.R.38: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act

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Post by rotor » Tue May 08, 2018 3:17 pm

apostate wrote:
rotor wrote:
apostate wrote:
skeathley wrote:I think many people are over-reacting to this. Trump is a simple man on some levels, but very complex on others. He dangles carrots, out-thinks, and out-flanks his opponents. Like someone said recently, he plays chess, not checkers. I don't like what he has said about gun rights, but this game is not over. I think we should wait and see what happens. He may will surprise us all.

Of course, if he does throw us under the bus, bashing him now will not change that, but it will give comfort to our enemies.

:txflag:
Trump was POTUS for more than a year before the Cruz V-Day massacre. During that time, the House and Senate had Republican majorities. Therefore, I conclude their failure to pass national reciprocity has absolutely nothing to do with those murders and everything to do with their real views on RKBA.

They are of course welcome to prove me wrong, preferably before November.
There is a limit of what one can do without 60 senate votes. I realize that you know this but it takes 60.
Shall I take it then, that you agree Las Vegas and Parkland are red herring excuses, and are not reasons we don't have national reciprocity yet?
Yes. I am very much for national reciprocity. Also for silencers. I would like to be able to buy a newly manufactured Tommy gun. When you have almost 1/2 of the senate that would like to eliminate the 2A though I don't see that it will happen. I can hope.

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