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Re: NEWBIE Question about CCW

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Post by flipman416 » Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:22 am

rotor wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:43 pm
flipman416 wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:06 pm
rotor wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:51 pm
The only thing that I may add is that a Utah CHL does not protect you from the Federal Gun Free Zone act (firearms within 1000 feet of a school) in Texas. For that you need a Texas LTC. Does anyone ever get caught in that trap, I don't know? I am sure that most people with a gun in the glove box drive by a school every day and nobody cares. As a technicality though only the Texas LTC covers Texas schools. Welcome to Texas. I spent many years in Commiefornia too. I can't believe it has turned into such a cesspool. I remember when I could open carry in California.


I was told that only matters when you're on foot. As if it's inside you're vehicle you're protected...as one doesn't need a permit to.carry a loaded firearm in your vehicle in Texas. Am I wrong to think this?
I believe you are wrong. Exceptions below. Unloaded and locked up. I doubt if most are.
[18 U.S.C. § 922(q)(2)(A)] does not apply to the possession of a firearm—

(i) on private property not part of school grounds;

(ii) if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so by the State in which the school zone is located or a political subdivision of the State, and the law of the State or political subdivision requires that, before an individual obtains such a license, the law enforcement authorities of the State or political subdivision verify that the individual is qualified under law to receive the license;

(iii) that is—

(I) not loaded; and

(II) in a locked container, or a locked firearms rack that is on a motor vehicle;


(iv) by an individual for use in a program approved by a school in the school zone;

(v) by an individual in accordance with a contract entered into between a school in the school zone and the individual or an employer of the individual;

(vi) by a law enforcement officer acting in his or her official capacity; or

(vii) that is unloaded and is possessed by an individual while traversing school premises for the purpose of gaining access to public or private lands open to hunting, if the entry on school premises is authorized by school authorities.

Hmmmmm. Good to know...I have driven by some schools, but it was definitely well further than 1000 FT. I wonder if anyone has actually ever been in trouble due to this law?


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Re: NEWBIE Question about CCW

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Post by flipman416 » Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:23 am

OneGun wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:19 pm
flipman416 wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:29 pm
Hello everyone,

I have moved from the communist state of California to The Great State of Texas. I am posting this because I haven't really read anything concrete, nor have I read anything recently about out of state non-resident UTAH CCW. With that said...my understanding is I can definitely carry in Texas because I obtained my Utah CCW as a non-Texas resident. But since I have now moved, I believe I can still carry in Texas with my Utah CCW, but when it comes time to renew...Utah won't renew it unless I have my Texas CHL. Am I assuming correctly? The last thing I want to happen is me being arrested for conceal carry in Texas. Thanks, everyone!!! by the way...LOVING TEXAS!! Also please don't assume I'm one of those crazy Californians, bringing my idiotic Californian mentality to Texas!!! LOL!!! I'm more of a CA refugee fleeing that mess of a place!! Consider me an ally to the amazing Texan way of life!!
The best thing you could do is get a Texas DL and take the Texas LTC course. Texas reduced the license fees a lot and the course is now less than half day with the shooting qualification test.

Oh, and BTW, Welcome to Texas and thanks for not bringing California mentality to Texas!!!! :txflag:

Im set to start my LTC Course in two weeks. I figured even though I am allowed to carry here with a UTAH CCW, I would like to learn more about Texas carry gun laws.


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Re: NEWBIE Question about CCW

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Post by flipman416 » Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:25 am

03Lightningrocks wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:07 am
flipman416 wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:03 pm
Thanks for the answers fellas, also thanks for the warm welcome. I'm definitely here and on your side, should the crazy leftists liberals try to take our rights. I do know for a fact they are definitely here!!! But my guard won't be down!!!
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Welcome to Texas but try and understand why you will live under the cloud of being from Kali for several years until you prove yourself. I am still not sure about The Annoyed Man but I try to give him the benefit of the doubt. :biggrinjester:
Totally understand! I'm usually quiet that I'm from California unless they ask...and then I proceed with a monologue on how I am not like the rest of those crazies LOL!!!!

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Re: NEWBIE Question about CCW

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Post by C-dub » Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:10 am

flipman416 wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:22 am
rotor wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:43 pm
flipman416 wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:06 pm
rotor wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:51 pm
The only thing that I may add is that a Utah CHL does not protect you from the Federal Gun Free Zone act (firearms within 1000 feet of a school) in Texas. For that you need a Texas LTC. Does anyone ever get caught in that trap, I don't know? I am sure that most people with a gun in the glove box drive by a school every day and nobody cares. As a technicality though only the Texas LTC covers Texas schools. Welcome to Texas. I spent many years in Commiefornia too. I can't believe it has turned into such a cesspool. I remember when I could open carry in California.


I was told that only matters when you're on foot. As if it's inside you're vehicle you're protected...as one doesn't need a permit to.carry a loaded firearm in your vehicle in Texas. Am I wrong to think this?
I believe you are wrong. Exceptions below. Unloaded and locked up. I doubt if most are.
[18 U.S.C. § 922(q)(2)(A)] does not apply to the possession of a firearm—

(i) on private property not part of school grounds;

(ii) if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so by the State in which the school zone is located or a political subdivision of the State, and the law of the State or political subdivision requires that, before an individual obtains such a license, the law enforcement authorities of the State or political subdivision verify that the individual is qualified under law to receive the license;

(iii) that is—

(I) not loaded; and

(II) in a locked container, or a locked firearms rack that is on a motor vehicle;


(iv) by an individual for use in a program approved by a school in the school zone;

(v) by an individual in accordance with a contract entered into between a school in the school zone and the individual or an employer of the individual;

(vi) by a law enforcement officer acting in his or her official capacity; or

(vii) that is unloaded and is possessed by an individual while traversing school premises for the purpose of gaining access to public or private lands open to hunting, if the entry on school premises is authorized by school authorities.

Hmmmmm. Good to know...I have driven by some schools, but it was definitely well further than 1000 FT. I wonder if anyone has actually ever been in trouble due to this law?
Not really. It is usually something that gets added on to pile on the charges after you're already in trouble for something else. IIRC, there was a case a while back, possibly not even in Texas, where it ended up being declared unconstitutional and mostly thrown out. However, there may have been some tweeks to that federal law when they included the language that now says if you're licensed in the state you're carrying, not using an out of state non-resident license or one that is recognized by another state, so that it is no longer unconstitutional. I don't remember.

My gun law brain is having issues this morning. I also seem to recall a case in the news that is currently on going where the feds are trying to get some guys LTC here in Texas voided so they can pile on some violations and one of them is the GFZA thing.
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Re: NEWBIE Question about CCW

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Post by flipman416 » Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:13 am

C-dub wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:10 am
flipman416 wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:22 am
rotor wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:43 pm
flipman416 wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:06 pm
rotor wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:51 pm
The only thing that I may add is that a Utah CHL does not protect you from the Federal Gun Free Zone act (firearms within 1000 feet of a school) in Texas. For that you need a Texas LTC. Does anyone ever get caught in that trap, I don't know? I am sure that most people with a gun in the glove box drive by a school every day and nobody cares. As a technicality though only the Texas LTC covers Texas schools. Welcome to Texas. I spent many years in Commiefornia too. I can't believe it has turned into such a cesspool. I remember when I could open carry in California.


I was told that only matters when you're on foot. As if it's inside you're vehicle you're protected...as one doesn't need a permit to.carry a loaded firearm in your vehicle in Texas. Am I wrong to think this?
I believe you are wrong. Exceptions below. Unloaded and locked up. I doubt if most are.
[18 U.S.C. § 922(q)(2)(A)] does not apply to the possession of a firearm—

(i) on private property not part of school grounds;

(ii) if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so by the State in which the school zone is located or a political subdivision of the State, and the law of the State or political subdivision requires that, before an individual obtains such a license, the law enforcement authorities of the State or political subdivision verify that the individual is qualified under law to receive the license;

(iii) that is—

(I) not loaded; and

(II) in a locked container, or a locked firearms rack that is on a motor vehicle;


(iv) by an individual for use in a program approved by a school in the school zone;

(v) by an individual in accordance with a contract entered into between a school in the school zone and the individual or an employer of the individual;

(vi) by a law enforcement officer acting in his or her official capacity; or

(vii) that is unloaded and is possessed by an individual while traversing school premises for the purpose of gaining access to public or private lands open to hunting, if the entry on school premises is authorized by school authorities.

Hmmmmm. Good to know...I have driven by some schools, but it was definitely well further than 1000 FT. I wonder if anyone has actually ever been in trouble due to this law?
Not really. It is usually something that gets added on to pile on the charges after you're already in trouble for something else. IIRC, there was a case a while back, possibly not even in Texas, where it ended up being declared unconstitutional and mostly thrown out. However, there may have been some tweeks to that federal law when they included the language that now says if you're licensed in the state you're carrying, not using an out of state non-resident license or one that is recognized by another state, so that it is no longer unconstitutional. I don't remember.

My gun law brain is having issues this morning. I also seem to recall a case in the news that is currently on going where the feds are trying to get some guys LTC here in Texas voided so they can pile on some violations and one of them is the GFZA thing.
Thats pretty crazy!!! Well to my knowledge Im not within 1000FT of any schools anyway. At least with my daily commute!! Plus in two weeks I start my Texas LTC course. But yeah...this is a pretty stupid rule, especially if you are just driving by. Its pretty crazy to see that this is a law, yet in Texas..since your car is an extension of your home, you are allowed to carry a loaded firearm without a permit. This is what happens I guess when politicians keep convoluting the laws...its gets more and more mushed and confusing!!!

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Re: NEWBIE Question about CCW

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Post by 03Lightningrocks » Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:15 am

flipman416 wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:25 am
Totally understand! I'm usually quiet that I'm from California unless they ask...and then I proceed with a monologue on how I am not like the rest of those crazies LOL!!!!
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Post by rotor » Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:40 pm

How many Texans without LTC drive into post office parking lot to mail a letter with a gun in the glove box? Probably the only ones that know it's not legal are LTC holders. Lot's of stupid not enforced laws but there is always a way they can get you if they want to.


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Post by flipman416 » Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:53 pm

rotor wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:40 pm
How many Texans without LTC drive into post office parking lot to mail a letter with a gun in the glove box? Probably the only ones that know it's not legal are LTC holders. Lot's of stupid not enforced laws but there is always a way they can get you if they want to.
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Post by BBYC » Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:23 pm

NNT wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:14 pm
flipman416 wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:02 pm
Maxwell wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:00 pm
flipman416 wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:29 pm
..my understanding is I can definitely carry in Texas because I obtained my Utah CCW as a non-Texas resident. But since I have now moved, I believe I can still carry in Texas with my Utah CCW, but when it comes time to renew...Utah won't renew it unless I have my Texas CHL. Am I assuming correctly?
I'm curious, did you have to have a California CCW to get your non-resident Utah CCW? :confused5

I did not need my CA CCW to obtain a non resident Utah CCW. The main reason is Utah CCW was not honored in CA, it was primarily used so Californians can carry when traveling to nearby states.
The way I remember it when I was looking at Utah non-resident... if your home state was shall issue, you had to have that first. If your home state is communist, Utah will issue.
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Post by OneGun » Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:52 pm

flipman416 wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:23 am
OneGun wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:19 pm
flipman416 wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:29 pm
Hello everyone,

I have moved from the communist state of California to The Great State of Texas. I am posting this because I haven't really read anything concrete, nor have I read anything recently about out of state non-resident UTAH CCW. With that said...my understanding is I can definitely carry in Texas because I obtained my Utah CCW as a non-Texas resident. But since I have now moved, I believe I can still carry in Texas with my Utah CCW, but when it comes time to renew...Utah won't renew it unless I have my Texas CHL. Am I assuming correctly? The last thing I want to happen is me being arrested for conceal carry in Texas. Thanks, everyone!!! by the way...LOVING TEXAS!! Also please don't assume I'm one of those crazy Californians, bringing my idiotic Californian mentality to Texas!!! LOL!!! I'm more of a CA refugee fleeing that mess of a place!! Consider me an ally to the amazing Texan way of life!!
The best thing you could do is get a Texas DL and take the Texas LTC course. Texas reduced the license fees a lot and the course is now less than half day with the shooting qualification test.

Oh, and BTW, Welcome to Texas and thanks for not bringing California mentality to Texas!!!! :txflag:

Im set to start my LTC Course in two weeks. I figured even though I am allowed to carry here with a UTAH CCW, I would like to learn more about Texas carry gun laws.
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Post by Soccerdad1995 » Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:18 pm

I think we can safely assume that LEO's are usually armed even when they are off duty. So unless Texas LEO's all have their LTC's then they violate the FGFSZA whenever they drop their kids off at school or even drive through a school zone on their way to work. Is anyone aware of a LEO being charged under the FGFSZA?
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Post by WildRose » Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:52 pm

flipman416 wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:43 am
NNT wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:14 pm
flipman416 wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:02 pm
Maxwell wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:00 pm
flipman416 wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:29 pm
..my understanding is I can definitely carry in Texas because I obtained my Utah CCW as a non-Texas resident. But since I have now moved, I believe I can still carry in Texas with my Utah CCW, but when it comes time to renew...Utah won't renew it unless I have my Texas CHL. Am I assuming correctly?
I'm curious, did you have to have a California CCW to get your non-resident Utah CCW? :confused5

I did not need my CA CCW to obtain a non resident Utah CCW. The main reason is Utah CCW was not honored in CA, it was primarily used so Californians can carry when traveling to nearby states.
The way I remember it when I was looking at Utah non-resident... if your home state was shall issue, you had to have that first. If your home state is communist, Utah will issue.

hahahahha!! Thats it!!! CA is a "May issue" State.
"Rarely Issue" would be far more accurate. There are sheriffs in the state who both brag on never issuing a permit and run promising never to.
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Post by WildRose » Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:38 am

C-dub wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:10 am
flipman416 wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:22 am
rotor wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:43 pm
flipman416 wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:06 pm
rotor wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:51 pm
The only thing that I may add is that a Utah CHL does not protect you from the Federal Gun Free Zone act (firearms within 1000 feet of a school) in Texas. For that you need a Texas LTC. Does anyone ever get caught in that trap, I don't know? I am sure that most people with a gun in the glove box drive by a school every day and nobody cares. As a technicality though only the Texas LTC covers Texas schools. Welcome to Texas. I spent many years in Commiefornia too. I can't believe it has turned into such a cesspool. I remember when I could open carry in California.


I was told that only matters when you're on foot. As if it's inside you're vehicle you're protected...as one doesn't need a permit to.carry a loaded firearm in your vehicle in Texas. Am I wrong to think this?
I believe you are wrong. Exceptions below. Unloaded and locked up. I doubt if most are.
[18 U.S.C. § 922(q)(2)(A)] does not apply to the possession of a firearm—

(i) on private property not part of school grounds;

(ii) if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so by the State in which the school zone is located or a political subdivision of the State, and the law of the State or political subdivision requires that, before an individual obtains such a license, the law enforcement authorities of the State or political subdivision verify that the individual is qualified under law to receive the license;

(iii) that is—

(I) not loaded; and

(II) in a locked container, or a locked firearms rack that is on a motor vehicle;


(iv) by an individual for use in a program approved by a school in the school zone;

(v) by an individual in accordance with a contract entered into between a school in the school zone and the individual or an employer of the individual;

(vi) by a law enforcement officer acting in his or her official capacity; or

(vii) that is unloaded and is possessed by an individual while traversing school premises for the purpose of gaining access to public or private lands open to hunting, if the entry on school premises is authorized by school authorities.

Hmmmmm. Good to know...I have driven by some schools, but it was definitely well further than 1000 FT. I wonder if anyone has actually ever been in trouble due to this law?
Not really. It is usually something that gets added on to pile on the charges after you're already in trouble for something else. IIRC, there was a case a while back, possibly not even in Texas, where it ended up being declared unconstitutional and mostly thrown out. However, there may have been some tweeks to that federal law when they included the language that now says if you're licensed in the state you're carrying, not using an out of state non-resident license or one that is recognized by another state, so that it is no longer unconstitutional. I don't remember.

My gun law brain is having issues this morning. I also seem to recall a case in the news that is currently on going where the feds are trying to get some guys LTC here in Texas voided so they can pile on some violations and one of them is the GFZA thing.
Amarillo, St. Mary's case.
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Post by WildRose » Sat Sep 29, 2018 12:28 am

Soccerdad1995 wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:18 pm
I think we can safely assume that LEO's are usually armed even when they are off duty. So unless Texas LEO's all have their LTC's then they violate the FGFSZA whenever they drop their kids off at school or even drive through a school zone on their way to work. Is anyone aware of a LEO being charged under the FGFSZA?
LEO's are exempt as are retired LEO's.
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Post by bigtek » Sat Sep 29, 2018 1:54 pm

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