LTC individual has ND at Houston Galleria

[Liberty]

Questioning the safety of a round in the chamber has been discussed on this site to the point of If you don't think its safe --don't do it, but please don't question others personal decision. Failing to secure the firearm properly was the issue.

Actually, I believe it does.
Most of us wouldn't consider carrying while unloaded. but carrying a handgun in a back pack is transporting it. You wouldn't ship a gun loaded or transport to the hunt lease a hunting rifle loaded. Carrying a weapon in a back pack isn't really the same as packing a concealed weapon for protection.

Does that apply to purses or the many carry satchels? Or does there need to be some version of a "quick draw" built into it? Just curious where you would draw the line.

Where I draw the line is actually irrelevant. My thought though is that a back pack involves removing the back pack, opening the back pack finding the weapon before actually drawing. I actually carry a gun in a back pack fairly often. I do this when traveling. but:

1: It's a beretta P92. It is holstered but loaded.
2: I am packing my EDC on my hip.

I have complete confidence in the drop proofness of it, I have a manual safety enabled, the hammer is uncocked and I'm not relying on it for my safety at the time, I am transporting it from my vehicle to a hotel room.

[goose]

Actually, I believe it does.Most of us wouldn't consider carrying while unloaded. but carrying a handgun in a back pack is transporting it. You wouldn't ship a gun loaded or transport to the hunt lease a hunting rifle loaded. Carrying a weapon in a back pack isn't really the same as packing a concealed weapon for protection.

Does that apply to purses or the many carry satchels? Or does there need to be some version of a "quick draw" built into it? Just curious where you would draw the line.

Where I draw the line is actually irrelevant.

I was asking about when you viewed a person as carrying (assuming a purse would be considered carrying for most) vs. transporting (your description of the backpack). That was the relevance. No worries. I was just curious not trying to debate.

[bblhd672]

I carry my handgun in a backpack every day, when I am unable to wear it on my belt. But it is ALWAYS either in its holster or in a soft pistol case.

The fear of a ND is why I insist on buying pistols with manual safeties. Yes, I realize that manual safeties can not work correctly but it just gives me a bit more peace about having a loaded chamber striker pistol.

[oljames3]

I carry my handgun in a backpack every day, when I am unable to wear it on my belt. But it is ALWAYS either in its holster or in a soft pistol case.

The fear of a ND is why I insist on buying pistols with manual safeties. Yes, I realize that manual safeties can not work correctly but it just gives me a bit more peace about having a loaded chamber striker pistol.

"... more peace about having a loaded chamber striker pistol." That is the main point, I feel; whatever works best for you.

In my DA/SA semi-auto, hammer-fired 9mm, I carry a round in the chamber with the manual safety off. Works best for me.

As with most things in life, it comes down to which risks we are willing to manage and which benefits matter most.

[rotor]

The "it' can't fire from a fall" is ridiculous. I sent a Taurus back and they issued a new gun because it can fire with a fall and that was a pistol and not a revolver. Not enough info here to determine the problem. Did the gun fall out of the backpack, hit the ground and go off or did it go off in a backpack that fell? Women carry in purses all the time and I don't know if they carry in a holster in a purse or how the gun is secured. Since there is not enough info I don't know if this really is a ND or a defective gun.

[Acronym Esq]

Near as I can tell his gun fell from his back pack and discharged in the Galleria shopping mall in Houston.
Obviously, this has not done the rest of us any favors.

The Galleria itself is a nice place. Bright lights. Lots of well dressed people. Shiny stores. Sounds of children laughing and people talking. Wafting smells of chocolate, perfume, candles, and fried delights.

The parking lots are terrifying. They are dark mazes expanding from the surface underground. Little security. Dirty people who don't look like they own cars wander through. It smells of car fumes and pee. There is trash from people eating or performing hygienic tasks like empty deodorant, used toothbrushes, and full diapers. Theft, burglary, robbery, assault, rape, murder all happen with regularity in the mile surrounding the area and occasionally in the parking lot itself.

It's a great example of a place where you wouldn't expect to need a gun, except for the 30 yards between the building and your car.

I would hate to see a knee jerk regulatory reaction to a single ND.

I have enjoyed all the speculation as to why the ND happened. It is incredibly unlikely that a modern hand gun discharged after being dropped. My suspicion is that the gun was being played with. The backpack story is what you tell the police rather than admitting to being criminally negligent. I look forward to learning the real reason.

Acronym 2/3/2017 11:53 AM

[rotor]

Near as I can tell his gun fell from his back pack and discharged in the Galleria shopping mall in Houston.
Obviously, this has not done the rest of us any favors.

The Galleria itself is a nice place. Bright lights. Lots of well dressed people. Shiny stores. Sounds of children laughing and people talking. Wafting smells of chocolate, perfume, candles, and fried delights.

The parking lots are terrifying. They are dark mazes expanding from the surface underground. Little security. Dirty people who don't look like they own cars wander through. It smells of car fumes and pee. There is trash from people eating or performing hygienic tasks like empty deodorant, used toothbrushes, and full diapers. Theft, burglary, robbery, assault, rape, murder all happen with regularity in the mile surrounding the area and occasionally in the parking lot itself.

It's a great example of a place where you wouldn't expect to need a gun, except for the 30 yards between the building and your car.

I would hate to see a knee jerk regulatory reaction to a single ND.

I have enjoyed all the speculation as to why the ND happened. It is incredibly unlikely that a modern hand gun discharged after being dropped. My suspicion is that the gun was being played with. The backpack story is what you tell the police rather than admitting to being criminally negligent. I look forward to learning the real reason.

Acronym 2/3/2017 11:53 AM

Galleria parking lot sounds like a fun place.

You obviously have never owned a Taurus.
https://www.tauruscartersettlement.com/

[Skiprr]

Near as I can tell his gun fell from his back pack and discharged in the Galleria shopping mall in Houston.
Obviously, this has not done the rest of us any favors.

The Galleria itself is a nice place.... The parking lots are terrifying.... It's a great example of a place where you wouldn't expect to need a gun, except for the 30 yards between the building and your car.

Except that, if you're forced to park at the far corner of one of the indoor garage levels, your walk could easily be 80 yards getting to a building elevator...and it ain't like those elevator (or, heaven forbid, stairway) cubbyholes are places you want to be cornered in at 10:00 p.m., either.

[Soccerdad1995]

Near as I can tell his gun fell from his back pack and discharged in the Galleria shopping mall in Houston.
Obviously, this has not done the rest of us any favors.

The Galleria itself is a nice place.... The parking lots are terrifying.... It's a great example of a place where you wouldn't expect to need a gun, except for the 30 yards between the building and your car.

Except that, if you're forced to park at the far corner of one of the indoor garage levels, your walk could easily be 80 yards getting to a building elevator...and it ain't like those elevator (or, heaven forbid, stairway) cubbyholes are places you want to be cornered in at 10:00 p.m., either.

Park on the surface level. It's worth the seven bucks. Or across the street at the Dillards.

[Excaliber]

Near as I can tell his gun fell from his back pack and discharged in the Galleria shopping mall in Houston.
Obviously, this has not done the rest of us any favors.

The Galleria itself is a nice place. Bright lights. Lots of well dressed people. Shiny stores. Sounds of children laughing and people talking. Wafting smells of chocolate, perfume, candles, and fried delights.

The parking lots are terrifying. They are dark mazes expanding from the surface underground. Little security. Dirty people who don't look like they own cars wander through. It smells of car fumes and pee. There is trash from people eating or performing hygienic tasks like empty deodorant, used toothbrushes, and full diapers. Theft, burglary, robbery, assault, rape, murder all happen with regularity in the mile surrounding the area and occasionally in the parking lot itself.

It's a great example of a place where you wouldn't expect to need a gun, except for the 30 yards between the building and your car.

I would hate to see a knee jerk regulatory reaction to a single ND.

I have enjoyed all the speculation as to why the ND happened. It is incredibly unlikely that a modern hand gun discharged after being dropped. My suspicion is that the gun was being played with. The backpack story is what you tell the police rather than admitting to being criminally negligent. I look forward to learning the real reason.

Acronym 2/3/2017 11:53 AM

If we assume that the report the gun discharged when the backpack was dropped is true, it is very possible and even likely that the cause was another object inside the backpack moving into the unprotected trigger guard and depressing the trigger with the inertial energy from the drop. There are any number of instances where this has happened before.

[Skiprr]

Park on the surface level. It's worth the seven bucks. Or across the street at the Dillards.

Yep. When that's practical.

I'd say 95% of my visits to the Galleria in the past several years have been only to go the Galleria Athletic & Tennis Club, gear bag in hand and often staying until after many stores have closed. The only reasonable way of getting to the club without hiking for a mile, almost literally, is to park on the top couple of levels in the Orange garage; the only entrance to the club is on L3 in that garage.

Otherwise, I pretty much skip the Galleria as a destination.

[ScottDLS]

Whenever I carry a pistol in my backpack, which I sometimes do, I leave it in a holster that covers the trigger. I also leave the safety on if the gun has one. I don't own any striker fired pistols, but if I did I would not carry them in my backpack.

[oohrah]

How many makes of modern firearms will discharge from an impact without the trigger being pulled?

Interestingly, the original Ruger LCP had a nasty habit of discharging when dropped. Ruger fixed it, but if you buy a used one, be sure and check the serial number against the recall. Just my 2c.

Oh yes, and that guy was stupid.

[Scott B.]

....I have enjoyed all the speculation as to why the ND happened. It is incredibly unlikely that a modern hand gun discharged after being dropped. My suspicion is that the gun was being played with. The backpack story is what you tell the police rather than admitting to being criminally negligent. I look forward to learning the real reason.

Acronym 2/3/2017 11:53 AM

This.

Unless it was witnessed by store employees or on camera, I'd be very suspicious of the ol 'it dropped and went off' excuse.

[Liberty]

....I have enjoyed all the speculation as to why the ND happened. It is incredibly unlikely that a modern hand gun discharged after being dropped. My suspicion is that the gun was being played with. The backpack story is what you tell the police rather than admitting to being criminally negligent. I look forward to learning the real reason.

Acronym 2/3/2017 11:53 AM

This.

Unless it was witnessed by store employees or on camera, I'd be very suspicious of the ol 'it dropped and went off' excuse.

The exit hole in the backpack might be a good indicator.