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Star Telegram article on School Carry

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Post by KD5NRH » Mon Jul 07, 2008 4:04 am

http://www.star-telegram.com/news/story/744093.html
Guns may be allowed at Texas colleges
By ANNA M. TINSLEY
atinsley@star-telegram.com

Texans might soon be able to pack heat on college campuses.

That is just one of several proposals that could reach lawmakers next year as they — and legislators nationwide — explore broadening some gun laws.

"It addresses personal protection," said state Rep. Joe Driver, R-Garland, who heads the House committee that considers gun bills. "People who do things [like the Virginia Tech shooting] basically know they are walking into a gun-free zone.

"They are cowards . . . facing people not allowed to fight back."

Lawmakers could set their sights on several proposals next year in the wake of the recent historic Supreme Court ruling that determined that Americans have a right to own guns for hunting and self-defense.

Communities nationwide are doing the same thing.

Changes are already under way in some states, such as Florida, where employees may now lock guns in their cars even on private property, and Georgia, where pistols are now allowed in state parks and restaurants and on public transportation.

And lawsuits have already been filed challenging some city rules — including one in Chicago that bans possessing a gun in the city and one in San Francisco that bans handguns in public housing.

Texas likely won’t end up in the litigation fray, said James Dark, executive director of the Texas State Rifle Association.

"It is questionable whether there are any Texas laws strict enough to warrant court scrutiny," he said. "Our laws are not restrictive enough."

But anti-gun groups are working to counter future legislation nationwide, already boosting fundraising efforts to fight more challenges.

"We have our work cut out for us, but I know we can beat the gun lobby in court," Sarah Brady, chairwoman of the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, wrote in a recent letter to supporters. "We have common sense on our side. And, with the Brady Center’s legal expertise and years of experience, we can and will help defend gun laws that protect you, your family and your community."

Texas laws

A law enacted in 1995 gave Texans the right to carry concealed weapons if they get a permit. More than 290,000 Texans now have permits, Department of Public Safety records show.

Driver said lawmakers probably won’t embrace an open-carry approach, despite an online petition now signed by more than 18,000 Texans.

"If that’s what a majority of the people want, we would consider it," he said. "I’m not going for that at this point. . . . but I won’t work against it.

"I believe we ought to be able to protect ourselves however we can."

College campuses

Driver said he may propose a campus personal protection act to let those with concealed handgun permits carry guns at colleges.

"We’re trying to provide students, faculty, visitors, anyone with a concealed handgun license the ability to protect themselves and at times protect others," he said.

A professor recently testified on the issue before a legislative committee, saying he is responsible for making sure students get out of the building safely if there’s a fire, tornado or other dangerous situation.

"But he said he’s tasked — if somebody starts shooting students — with hiding under his desk," Driver said.

Utah is the only state so far to allow weapons at all public universities.

Workplace safety

Another proposal that may go to lawmakers next year would let holders of concealed-handgun licenses lock their guns in a secure area at work, perhaps their vehicle’s glove compartment or in the office.

Texas law now prohibits guns in places such as government buildings and lets private businesses ban weapons on their property.

"I think it’s always time in Texas to address the gun laws," Driver said. "We are slowly moving along, trying to make sure everyone understands why we want these bills passed, why we want to let people protect themselves."
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Post by Liberty » Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:05 am

Hmm.. They are already talking up the bills that will be on the table. In 2007 there wasn't any public talk until the election.
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Post by Greybeard » Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:12 am

Quote from article: "Texas law now prohibits guns in places such as government buildings ..."

Another "half truth" that often misleads those who don't know any better - unfortunately, about 98% of the population.
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Post by Pinkycatcher » Mon Jul 07, 2008 12:22 pm

And not full of any statistics showing the 72 semesters in the 11 colleges that allow it showing no thefts of weapons, no incidents whatsoever actually.


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Post by jeeperbryan » Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:44 pm

man i wish i could carry to class. i hate leaving my weapon in my jeep.

there's only been on incident where i thought i might need my gun. in the middle of class someone started screaming to call 911. i immediately though....school shooter....and started to hit the floor. turns out one of my classmates was having a seizure. i think the screamer felt stupid afterwards cuz he literally screamed at the top of his lungs and scared the bejesus out of everyone.

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Post by boomerang » Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:19 pm

Allowing licensed concealed carry in universities? Next thing you know there will be student run newspapers, blogs and other free speech.
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Post by Pinkycatcher » Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:19 pm

boomerang wrote:Allowing licensed concealed carry in universities? Next thing you know there will be student run newspapers, blogs and other free speech.
And you can't house troops in student's dorms either (I know it's technically not their property so we really have no say, but it's the first thing I could come up with, and I used a weird amendment that's probably only been used once in U.S. history)


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Post by mr.72 » Tue Jul 08, 2008 2:17 pm

actually that Amendment (right) is in use for each of us every day that we don't have troops housed in our home.

Remember that without these protections, we would live in a very different world. The fact that there is rarely a case of infringement of some rights is an indication of the government doing things right.
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Post by Pinkycatcher » Tue Jul 08, 2008 4:44 pm

mr.72 wrote:actually that Amendment (right) is in use for each of us every day that we don't have troops housed in our home.

Remember that without these protections, we would live in a very different world. The fact that there is rarely a case of infringement of some rights is an indication of the government doing things right.
How many times has it been used in court I mean? Free speech and religion challenges happen all the time, but you don't see anyone suing the gvmt. because a national guardsman is in your house. It is used every day, but it's not challenged every day and is hardly ever brought up anywhere, just like a right should be!


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Post by Texan » Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:09 pm

What's wrong with these People like Sarah Brady?. If they want to talk about Gun Violence, then they should go down into the Gang/Drug infested neighborhoods where there is Killings all the time. But being the Cowardly folks they are, that won't happen.
Instead, they want to attack the Law abiding citizens.


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Post by jpierce30 » Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:43 pm

I sure hope the school campus CHL carry thing comes through in the next session. I really don't like the thought of me or my children being in a "gun-free" zone. I want the ability to protect me and mine.


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Post by Pinkycatcher » Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:36 pm

jpierce30 wrote:I sure hope the school campus CHL carry thing comes through in the next session. I really don't like the thought of me or my children being in a "gun-free" zone. I want the ability to protect me and mine.
There's actually a decent sized interest group the Students for Concealed Carry on Campus (SCCC) of which I am a campus leader at my university (which isn't saying much because I haven't actually started yet :smilelol5: )

http://concealedcampus.org/ is the website, right now there is 31,610 members so far, so that's one thing that's being pushed by students also.

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Post by agbullet2k1 » Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:42 pm

Pinkycatcher wrote:
jpierce30 wrote:I sure hope the school campus CHL carry thing comes through in the next session. I really don't like the thought of me or my children being in a "gun-free" zone. I want the ability to protect me and mine.
There's actually a decent sized interest group the Students for Concealed Carry on Campus (SCCC) of which I am a campus leader at my university (which isn't saying much because I haven't actually started yet :smilelol5: )

http://concealedcampus.org/ is the website, right now there is 31,610 members so far, so that's one thing that's being pushed by students also.
31,611 now. I thought I had already joined, but I guess I hadn't. Heading back for my M.S. in about a month, and I hate having to disarm in the parking lot.
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Post by Monkey404error » Wed Jul 09, 2008 12:58 pm

You hate disarming in the parking lot? I hate riding the public bus at 0-dark-hundred to be able to get to class. Riding to and from school, I always see the people that I'd normally try and avoid, and it scares me that in the event of an emergency, I can't defend myself if need be.
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Post by Pinkycatcher » Wed Jul 09, 2008 2:04 pm

Monkey404error wrote:You hate disarming in the parking lot? I hate riding the public bus at 0-dark-hundred to be able to get to class. Riding to and from school, I always see the people that I'd normally try and avoid, and it scares me that in the event of an emergency, I can't defend myself if need be.
Have you talked to your campus police about holding your weapon while you're in class? I know ours has a vault they store students weapons in when they come to the campus if they want to go hunting or for whatever reason.

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