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Re: Legal age for having a handgun in your vehicle

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Post by Pawpaw » Wed Mar 28, 2018 2:04 pm

Chefrulo61 wrote:So as a 17 year old it is legal for me to carry in my truck? Is the any law that kinda says that because my mom said I couuld and long as it's legal but I want to show her proof.
Yes it's legal, but you won't find a law giving you permission. That's not the way the legal system works. Laws tell you what you CAN'T do... not what you CAN.

The law says you have to be 18 to buy a long gun and 21 to buy a handgun. It's completely silent about possession of any of them, thus it's legal.
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Re: Legal age for having a handgun in your vehicle

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Post by Chefrulo61 » Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:28 am

Keith B wrote:
BBYC wrote:If you need your mom's permission, I think you answered your own question about being old enough.
If I was 17 and living under my folks roof, driving a car they owned (you can't own a car at 17), and otherwise needing to go by their wishes, then that I believe that is showing respect to get their blessing for something as important as carrying a firearm.
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Re: Legal age for having a handgun in your vehicle

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Keith B wrote:
BBYC wrote:If you need your mom's permission, I think you answered your own question about being old enough.
If I was 17 and living under my folks roof, driving a car they owned (you can't own a car at 17), and otherwise needing to go by their wishes, then that I believe that is showing respect to get their blessing for something as important as carrying a firearm.
Wait you can't own a car at 17? Even if you've moved out of your parents house, have a job and are living on your own? if you cant legally own a car at 17 why are kids able to drive at 17? that makes no sense to me... kinda like if you can join the military at 18 and shoot guns and die for your country why cant you buy a gun? or buy alcohol? (not necessarily in that order haha.)
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Re: Legal age for having a handgun in your vehicle

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Post by CleverNickname » Thu Mar 29, 2018 12:42 pm

Remember that you also need to comply with federal law too, and while federal law doesn't have a restriction on possession of non-NFA longarms by minors, 18 USC 922(x) does restrict their possession of handguns.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/922#x

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Re: Legal age for having a handgun in your vehicle

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Post by Pawpaw » Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:38 pm

Grundy1133 wrote:
Keith B wrote:
BBYC wrote:If you need your mom's permission, I think you answered your own question about being old enough.
If I was 17 and living under my folks roof, driving a car they owned (you can't own a car at 17), and otherwise needing to go by their wishes, then that I believe that is showing respect to get their blessing for something as important as carrying a firearm.
Wait you can't own a car at 17? Even if you've moved out of your parents house, have a job and are living on your own? if you cant legally own a car at 17 why are kids able to drive at 17? that makes no sense to me... kinda like if you can join the military at 18 and shoot guns and die for your country why cant you buy a gun? or buy alcohol? (not necessarily in that order haha.)
That was news to me too. I bought my first car at 16. My parent's knew about the entire thing. Heck my father was the one that found the car for me, but he didn't sign anything.

I owned the car for several months before my father finally gave his permission for me to get my license (as opposed to my learner's permit). I didn't really NEED his permission, but it made life much easier. Both of my parents were working, so my aunt went with me to take the driving test.

Can anyone imagine a Millennial taking his driving test in a 55 Chevy with three-on-the-tree? :lol:
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Re: Legal age for having a handgun in your vehicle

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Post by Chefrulo61 » Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:09 pm

CleverNickname wrote:Remember that you also need to comply with federal law too, and while federal law doesn't have a restriction on possession of non-NFA longarms by minors, 18 USC 922(x) does restrict their possession of handguns.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/922#x
Woah okay so now I'm a little confused so I can legally possess the handgun according to state law but not by federal law which would make me a fellon?

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Re: Legal age for having a handgun in your vehicle

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Post by Keith B » Fri Mar 30, 2018 12:49 pm

Pawpaw wrote: That was news to me too. I bought my first car at 16. My parent's knew about the entire thing. Heck my father was the one that found the car for me, but he didn't sign anything.
You can arrange to buy one, and pay for it with your money, but it must be titled in the name of someone who is 18 or older.
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Keith B wrote:
Pawpaw wrote: That was news to me too. I bought my first car at 16. My parent's knew about the entire thing. Heck my father was the one that found the car for me, but he didn't sign anything.
You can arrange to buy one, and pay for it with your money, but it must be titled in the name of someone who is 18 or older.
Hmmm. I wonder when that went into effect. Sometime after 1970, for sure.
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Re: Legal age for having a handgun in your vehicle

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Post by Keith B » Fri Mar 30, 2018 2:13 pm

Pawpaw wrote:
Keith B wrote:
Pawpaw wrote: That was news to me too. I bought my first car at 16. My parent's knew about the entire thing. Heck my father was the one that found the car for me, but he didn't sign anything.
You can arrange to buy one, and pay for it with your money, but it must be titled in the name of someone who is 18 or older.
Hmmm. I wonder when that went into effect. Sometime after 1970, for sure.
Well, there supposedly are ways to do this and gift it to the minor, but there has to be a guardian listed on the title. So basically, must be 18. Not sure if that changed after 1970 or not.

But we are off topic, so back to our regularly scheduled programming. ;-)
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Re: Legal age for having a handgun in your vehicle

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Post by CleverNickname » Fri Mar 30, 2018 2:35 pm

Chefrulo61 wrote:
CleverNickname wrote:Remember that you also need to comply with federal law too, and while federal law doesn't have a restriction on possession of non-NFA longarms by minors, 18 USC 922(x) does restrict their possession of handguns.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/922#x
Woah okay so now I'm a little confused so I can legally possess the handgun according to state law but not by federal law which would make me a fellon?
Yes, state law is less restrictive than federal law in this instance.

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Re: Legal age for having a handgun in your vehicle

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Post by Liberty » Fri Mar 30, 2018 3:25 pm

CleverNickname wrote:
Chefrulo61 wrote:
CleverNickname wrote:Remember that you also need to comply with federal law too, and while federal law doesn't have a restriction on possession of non-NFA longarms by minors, 18 USC 922(x) does restrict their possession of handguns.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/922#x
Woah okay so now I'm a little confused so I can legally possess the handgun according to state law but not by federal law which would make me a fellon?
Yes, state law is less restrictive than federal law in this instance.
No, Federal law says its OK was long as he has a note from his mom or dad.
(iii) the juvenile has the prior written consent in the juvenile’s possession at all times when a handgun is in the possession of the juvenile; and
(iv) in accordance with State and local law;
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Re: Legal age for having a handgun in your vehicle

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Post by deplorable » Fri Mar 30, 2018 4:36 pm

Liberty wrote:
CleverNickname wrote:
Chefrulo61 wrote:
CleverNickname wrote:Remember that you also need to comply with federal law too, and while federal law doesn't have a restriction on possession of non-NFA longarms by minors, 18 USC 922(x) does restrict their possession of handguns.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/922#x
Woah okay so now I'm a little confused so I can legally possess the handgun according to state law but not by federal law which would make me a fellon?
Yes, state law is less restrictive than federal law in this instance.
No, Federal law says its OK was long as he has a note from his mom or dad.
(iii) the juvenile has the prior written consent in the juvenile’s possession at all times when a handgun is in the possession of the juvenile; and
(iv) in accordance with State and local law;
The written permission is required for the juvenile to legally possess a handgun and ammunition to use:
(i) in the course of employment,
in the course of ranching or farming [...],
target practice,
hunting,
or a course of instruction in the safe and lawful use of a handgun;
Driving around with a handgun in a vehicle for self defense isn't one of the permissible reasons.

Of course, that section of 18 U.S. Code § 922 is literally unconstitutional, like most of the rest of 18 U.S. Code § 922.

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