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30.06 Valid?

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Post by HEMIzygote » Wed May 02, 2007 12:54 am

I was at University Medical Center at the Texas Tech University Campus the other day. The hospital is not located on the campus.

They had a 30.06 on the bottom of a glass sliding door entrance to the ER. The letters were 1" and in white text.

It was hard to read with the sun glaring off the glass.

Just curious as if the white text on glass is valid?

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Post by Russell » Wed May 02, 2007 12:56 am

White text on glass is indeed considered valid if I remember correctly.

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Post by longtooth » Wed May 02, 2007 1:19 am

Was it in English & Spanish?

Many of the hospitals in Houston have the White on glass & they are placed so that when the slidding glass doors open they are covered.
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Post by KD5NRH » Wed May 02, 2007 2:02 am

longtooth wrote:Was it in English & Spanish?

Many of the hospitals in Houston have the White on glass & they are placed so that when the slidding glass doors open they are covered.
Still counted as acceptable.
So how hard would it be to get a requirement for an opaque background added at the next legislative session?

Nothing contrasts with transparent in the real world. Too bad our lawmakers don't live there.

Edited to add:

Anybody had a class in colors and optics? If contrast is commutative, which it would logically seem to be, then:
If color A contrasts with color B, then color B contrasts with color A

Thus, if any color contrasts with transparency, transparency must contrast with that color; if white contrasts with transparency, then transparent letters on white paper must count as a contrasting color. Hence contract provisions written in invisible ink would be enforceable, and warning signs written in clear paint would constitute sufficient notice of a hazard.

Chas, I think I may be onto something that could revolutionise contract law...
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Post by GlockenHammer » Wed May 02, 2007 2:04 am

I think the strategy goes like this... Lots of folks haven't figured out that their ghostbuster and similar signs have no legal effect. Messing with the 30.06 draws attention that might result in more places posting. I can learn to read white letters on clear glass.

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Post by RPBrown » Wed May 02, 2007 6:55 am

How about this one, Went to a customers (commercial) office yesterday. Saw the 30.06 sign on the wall, black letters, white background, 5" letters.
Iguess he wanted to be sure everyone saw it.

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Post by HankB » Wed May 02, 2007 7:50 am

RPBrown wrote:How about this one, Went to a customers (commercial) office yesterday. Saw the 30.06 sign on the wall, black letters, white background, 5" letters.
5" Letters? A sign with 1" letters is about 2' x 3', so a sign with 5" letters must be on the order of 10' x 15' . . . that's not a sign, that's a billboard. :shock:
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Post by razoraggie » Wed May 02, 2007 8:08 am

At any size.....it still would be off limits considering that it is a University, correct? Same with UTMB in Galveston or UTMB in the Houston Medical Center. Even though they posted what may be an incorrect sign, according to what I have read and heard; any Univeristy Hospital is off limits. Some one feel free to correct me if I am mistaken.

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Post by RPBrown » Wed May 02, 2007 8:19 am

HankB wrote:
RPBrown wrote:How about this one, Went to a customers (commercial) office yesterday. Saw the 30.06 sign on the wall, black letters, white background, 5" letters.
5" Letters? A sign with 1" letters is about 2' x 3', so a sign with 5" letters must be on the order of 10' x 15' . . . that's not a sign, that's a billboard. :shock:
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Re: 30.06 Valid?

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Post by wrt45 » Wed May 02, 2007 9:25 am

HEMIzygote wrote:I was at University Medical Center at the Texas Tech University Campus the other day. The hospital is not located on the campus.

They had a 30.06 on the bottom of a glass sliding door entrance to the ER. The letters were 1" and in white text.

It was hard to read with the sun glaring off the glass.

Just curious as if the white text on glass is valid?

Thanks!
Check out the other side of the hospital. They have 30.06 signs the same size as handicap parking signs posted at the entrance to the parking lot of the Dr's office building west of Indiana street.

Even more ridiculous, they have the same small signs posted along Indiana where it cuts across the west side of the campus, and north west of the campus where it crosses 4th Street.

There are, however, no signs posted on the north side entrance to the Dr's office building and the clinic facilities or in the north side parking lot coming off of 4th street.

There doesn't seem to be any ryhme or reason to the placement of the signs or their appropriate use.


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Post by HEMIzygote » Wed May 02, 2007 11:15 am

wrt45 wrote: Even more ridiculous, they have the same small signs posted along Indiana where it cuts across the west side of the campus, and north west of the campus where it crosses 4th Street.
So heading towards Brownfield on Indiana and near the stadiums where 4th meets Brownfield???


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Post by wrt45 » Wed May 02, 2007 2:20 pm

HEMIzygote wrote:So heading towards Brownfield on Indiana and near the stadiums where 4th meets Brownfield???
Yes, if heading south on Indiana, there is a sign on the west just before you get to the Tech freeway. If heading north, there is a sign on the east side of Indiana just before the Brownfield highway.

There used to be a sign further south on Indiana, but I believe it was knocked down during the construction of the re-rout of Indiana north of 19th.


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Post by JohnWayne » Wed May 02, 2007 10:27 pm

A hospital cannot simultaneously be an educational institution. Therefore, you can go into the UMC (south) side without a problem even if they have 30.06 signs since it is government-owned (Lubbock County Hospital District) not otherwise prohibited. The HSC (north) side is off-limits since it is an educational institution (TTUHSC).

You can ignore all the 30.06 signs that TTU has at all the entrances to campus since you can explicitly carry anywhere but the premises of the school, which basically means anywhere but the buildings. I fought a long battle a few years ago to get them taken down, but the TTU General Counsel's attitude was they they were in compliance with all laws by having them posted, which is true - there is no law against posting a meaningless sign.

MD Anderson is another place that is a hospital and, thus, cannot be an educational institution. The lines between hospital and educational may get a bit fuzzy there, but you're probably safe in any other clinic buildings. They have 30.06s which you can safely ignore. It's probably the same situation for other UTMB facilities.

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Post by Russell » Wed May 02, 2007 11:15 pm

JohnWayne wrote:A hospital cannot simultaneously be an educational institution. Therefore, you can go into the UMC (south) side without a problem even if they have 30.06 signs since it is government-owned (Lubbock County Hospital District) not otherwise prohibited. The HSC (north) side is off-limits since it is an educational institution (TTUHSC).

You can ignore all the 30.06 signs that TTU has at all the entrances to campus since you can explicitly carry anywhere but the premises of the school, which basically means anywhere but the buildings. I fought a long battle a few years ago to get them taken down, but the TTU General Counsel's attitude was they they were in compliance with all laws by having them posted, which is true - there is no law against posting a meaningless sign.

MD Anderson is another place that is a hospital and, thus, cannot be an educational institution. The lines between hospital and educational may get a bit fuzzy there, but you're probably safe in any other clinic buildings. They have 30.06s which you can safely ignore. It's probably the same situation for other UTMB facilities.

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I don't know about all of this "safely ignore" stuff. I'm not quite so sure that I would be so quick to say that you can ignore 30.06 postings. I have never heard of a hospital that can't also be an educational instituton.

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Post by txinvestigator » Wed May 02, 2007 11:26 pm

JohnWayne wrote:A hospital cannot simultaneously be an educational institution. Therefore, you can go into the UMC (south) side without a problem even if they have 30.06 signs since it is government-owned (Lubbock County Hospital District) not otherwise prohibited. The HSC (north) side is off-limits since it is an educational institution (TTUHSC).

You can ignore all the 30.06 signs that TTU has at all the entrances to campus since you can explicitly carry anywhere but the premises of the school, which basically means anywhere but the buildings. I fought a long battle a few years ago to get them taken down, but the TTU General Counsel's attitude was they they were in compliance with all laws by having them posted, which is true - there is no law against posting a meaningless sign.

MD Anderson is another place that is a hospital and, thus, cannot be an educational institution. The lines between hospital and educational may get a bit fuzzy there, but you're probably safe in any other clinic buildings. They have 30.06s which you can safely ignore. It's probably the same situation for other UTMB facilities.

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Jeff, you are mistaken that 30.06 cannot include parking lots. ONLY those places expressly covered in 46.03 and 36.035 EXCLUDE parking lots.

If you are stating that TTU is an educational institution; therefore, a government owned place, which means 30.06 is non-applicable, then I agree.

However, if you are asserting that places listed in 46.03 and 46.035 can't post 30.06 just because, I disagree. There is nothing in the Penal Code that indicates that a private school, hospital or other place listed in 46.03 or 46.035, other than a government owned place, cannot post enforceable 30.06.

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