Parking Lot Postings

[SMRoot]

Hi everyone,

Hopefully it's ok if I just jump right in with some questions. The parking lot at my workplace is posted 30.06 and 30.07. So, I'm assuming that means that the entire property, including the premises, is off limits for carry. However, it got me thinking about parking lots with multiple buildings and parking lots that connect with each other and made me wonder how to define the limits of what a given sign can make off limits for carry. Any of you experienced folks have any words of wisdom on that? Thanks.

SMRoot

[Beiruty]

1) Employers cannot force the employee from not carrying concealed while they are in their cars on the parking lots; or keep their concealed carry concealed in their cars. Signs can notify all not to carry (open or concealed or both) in the parking lots.
2) On shared parking lots, if the whole property is owned by a single real estate company, then said company can post or not post whatever they wish.

[goose]

3) There is not currently a penalty for an employer letting you go for storing your firearm in your car, in their parking lot.
so, you won't be prosecuted for a violation of the law. But, you may be looking for new employment opportunities.

[3dfxMM]

1) Employers cannot force the employee from not carrying concealed on the parking lots or keep their concealed carry concealed in their cars.
Signs can notify non-employees not to carry (open or concealed or both) in the parking lots.

This is not true. Employers certainly can post their properties, including the parking lots, and it applies to employees right along with other folks. This has no bearing on anyone having their weapon while in their car. They just can't get out of their car with it. Again, this applies to everyone, including employees. What the employer cannot do is have a policy prohibiting employees from keeping their weapons in their cars. There are exceptions to this law but it applies to most employers.

[rtschl]

This is not true. Employers certainly can post their properties, including the parking lots, and it applies to employees right along with other folks. This has no bearing on anyone having their weapon while in their car. They just can't get out of their car with it. Again, this applies to everyone, including employees. What the employer cannot do is have a policy prohibiting employees from keeping their weapons in their cars. There are exceptions to this law but it applies to most employers.

Not an issue in your vehicle but it is a violation if you carry outside of your vehicle on a posted parking lot.

[Beiruty]

1) Employers cannot force the employee from not carrying concealed on the parking lots or keep their concealed carry concealed in their cars.
Signs can notify non-employees not to carry (open or concealed or both) in the parking lots.

This is not true. Employers certainly can post their properties, including the parking lots, and it applies to employees right along with other folks. This has no bearing on anyone having their weapon while in their car. They just can't get out of their car with it. Again, this applies to everyone, including employees. What the employer cannot do is have a policy prohibiting employees from keeping their weapons in their cars. There are exceptions to this law but it applies to most employers.

Sorry, I fixed my statement and thanks for the clarification.

[Soccerdad1995]

So the basic answer is that you are fine as long as you are in your car. Just don't carry outside of your car in that parking lot.

Welcome to the forum, asking questions and answering them where you can is a great reason to be here.

[Solaris]

Hi everyone,

Hopefully it's ok if I just jump right in with some questions. The parking lot at my workplace is posted 30.06 and 30.07. So, I'm assuming that means that the entire property, including the premises, is off limits for carry. However, it got me thinking about parking lots with multiple buildings and parking lots that connect with each other and made me wonder how to define the limits of what a given sign can make off limits for carry. Any of you experienced folks have any words of wisdom on that? Thanks.

SMRoot

The law and the sign define the limits:

"... may not enter this property with a concealed handgun"

So it is limited to the property.

[SMRoot]

The law and the sign define the limits:

"... may not enter this property with a concealed handgun"

So it is limited to the property.

Thanks...and thank you to everyone who is responding. I do understand - at least at a basic level - what the rules are for employer parking lots. I also knew that the word "property" was used in the law. I guess I'm asking how to define what that property is for a given sign.

For example, my local mall has an enormous parking lot. There is a large main mall building and a smaller one that has various restaurants and a movie theater. This smaller area is accessed via uncovered walkways from the main building. Then, around the perimeter, there are several stand-alone shopping centers and restaurants.

So, if there is a sign posted in that mall parking lot, are all of the buildings that I can access without going back out onto the street now off limits?


Also, is it only the property owner that can post signs? Is it an authority that is commonly designated to lessees somehow? Thanks.

[Solaris]

So, if there is a sign posted in that mall parking lot, are all of the buildings that I can access without going back out onto the street now off limits?

Yes. Keep in mind 06/07 signs only apply if you are carrying under authority of LTC law. Hence why you can have CC in car, but cannot take it out of car.

Also, is it only the property owner that can post signs? Is it an authority that is commonly designated to lessees somehow? Thanks.

"..the owner of the property or someone with apparent authority to act for the owner..."

Teach a man to fish...

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/D ... /PE.30.htm

[SMRoot]

So, if there is a sign posted in that mall parking lot, are all of the buildings that I can access without going back out onto the street now off limits?

Yes. Keep in mind 06/07 signs only apply if you are carrying under authority of LTC law. Hence why you can have CC in car, but cannot take it out of car.

Also, is it only the property owner that can post signs? Is it an authority that is commonly designated to lessees somehow? Thanks.

"..the owner of the property or someone with apparent authority to act for the owner..."

Teach a man to fish...

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/D ... /PE.30.htm

So, what you seem to be saying is that I must assume that all buildings with access from a certain parking lot are owned by the same entity. I've read the statute several times, but did not find the answer to my question to be clearly defined in there. Maybe I'm just being obtuse.

[Soccerdad1995]

The law and the sign define the limits:

"... may not enter this property with a concealed handgun"

So it is limited to the property.

Thanks...and thank you to everyone who is responding. I do understand - at least at a basic level - what the rules are for employer parking lots. I also knew that the word "property" was used in the law. I guess I'm asking how to define what that property is for a given sign.

For example, my local mall has an enormous parking lot. There is a large main mall building and a smaller one that has various restaurants and a movie theater. This smaller area is accessed via uncovered walkways from the main building. Then, around the perimeter, there are several stand-alone shopping centers and restaurants.

So, if there is a sign posted in that mall parking lot, are all of the buildings that I can access without going back out onto the street now off limits?


Also, is it only the property owner that can post signs? Is it an authority that is commonly designated to lessees somehow? Thanks.

Depending on the specific layout, I am not sure that the signs in the parking lot would cover the buildings at all, or they could cover all buildings. But there is a practical issue that if you cannot carry in the parking lot how are you going to get into the buildings from your car?

[Solaris]

So, what you seem to be saying is that I must assume that all buildings with access from a certain parking lot are owned by the same entity.

Yes. There are some assumptions to be made. Another assumption is the property owner placed the sign, and not an anti-gun group, or the property was not sold earlier that day and the sign was thus put up by a previous property owner....

I've read the statute several times, but did not find the answer to my question to be clearly defined in there. Maybe I'm just being obtuse.

What question is left unanswered?

[TangoX-ray]

Parking lot isn't premises (building or portion of a building).

[SMRoot]

So, what you seem to be saying is that I must assume that all buildings with access from a certain parking lot are owned by the same entity.

Yes. There are some assumptions to be made. Another assumption is the property owner placed the sign, and not an anti-gun group, or the property was not sold earlier that day and the sign was thus put up by a previous property owner....

I've read the statute several times, but did not find the answer to my question to be clearly defined in there. Maybe I'm just being obtuse.

What question is left unanswered?

I thought I already answered, but didn't see my reply. Forgive me if this shows up twice.

I wasn't implying that my question hadn't been answered, but rather that I had already read the statutes before I asked here. My question had more to do with where property starts and stops than whether or not someone can post on their property or what the rules are in employer parking lots. I wasn't trying to argue with what you've said or imply that you hadn't answered my question. I will say that I don't necessarily like the answer because I'd prefer to know rather than assume. But, that's more a reflection of my nature and training than anything else. Thanks again.