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Minimum Caliber for Handgun Proficiency Exam

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Post by stoneg1 » Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:35 pm

Senate Bill 263  Effective: September 1, 2017
Caption: Relating to the handgun proficiency required to obtain or renew a license to carry a handgun.
This bill removes the minimum caliber of handgun to be used in the handgun proficiency examination.


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Re: Minimum Caliber for Handgun Proficiency Exam

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Post by surprise_i'm_armed » Thu Sep 14, 2017 11:07 am

IIRC, the old minimum was .32.

Since the minimum has now been removed, people with recoil sensitivity issues
may now use a .22 or .25.

Even a .22 is much better than harsh words. :-)

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Post by ninjabread » Fri Sep 15, 2017 6:04 pm

NotRPB wrote:I guess even a .17 hmr pistol ?
https://www.google.com/search?q=.17+hmr ... PAZK7LCFCI
A .22 short revolver would have less recoil.
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Post by flechero » Fri Sep 15, 2017 6:27 pm

A 4" or 6" revolver in .22 shooting Calibre's would have less recoil than just closing the cylinder on the reload. "rlol"


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Post by Medley86 » Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:58 pm

Not that I would expect it to happen often, but since there is no caliber restriction, could one use an AR pistol with a brace, and then since the atf has decided it's ok, shoulder it?
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Post by locke_n_load » Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:31 am

Medley86 wrote:Not that I would expect it to happen often, but since there is no caliber restriction, could one use an AR pistol with a brace, and then since the atf has decided it's ok, shoulder it?
I would allow it. But remember, you are not allowed to use optics, red dots, lasers, etc. Only open sights.
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Post by Medley86 » Sat Sep 16, 2017 12:05 pm

locke_n_load wrote:
Medley86 wrote:Not that I would expect it to happen often, but since there is no caliber restriction, could one use an AR pistol with a brace, and then since the atf has decided it's ok, shoulder it?
I would allow it. But remember, you are not allowed to use optics, red dots, lasers, etc. Only open sights.

Yeah I knew about the no optics restrictions, honestly the shooting part of the class wasn't hard enough I would ever feel like I need that kind of advantage. It was more of a stray thought I had. Having shot the qualification already, I feel like I would have a reasonable chance of passing if I got to take a good look before every string then was blindfolded.
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Post by jmorris » Sat Sep 16, 2017 3:00 pm

Medley86 wrote:Not that I would expect it to happen often, but since there is no caliber restriction, could one use an AR pistol with a brace, and then since the atf has decided it's ok, shoulder it?
As long as the brace has not been modified and the shoulder use is incidential, sporadic, or situational.
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Post by locke_n_load » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:23 pm

jmorris wrote:
Medley86 wrote:Not that I would expect it to happen often, but since there is no caliber restriction, could one use an AR pistol with a brace, and then since the atf has decided it's ok, shoulder it?
As long as the brace has not been modified and the shoulder use is incidential, sporadic, or situational.
True about the modification. But about the shouldering, that is your interpretation. Texas DPS does not dictate how you must hold a pistol to qualify, and ATF has since "updated" 'their opinion that shouldering a brace does not re-classify the firearm. So in my opinion as an instructor, shouldering would be ok. Not preferred, but ok.
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Post by jmorris » Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:33 pm

locke_n_load wrote:
jmorris wrote:
Medley86 wrote:Not that I would expect it to happen often, but since there is no caliber restriction, could one use an AR pistol with a brace, and then since the atf has decided it's ok, shoulder it?
As long as the brace has not been modified and the shoulder use is incidential, sporadic, or situational.
True about the modification. But about the shouldering, that is your interpretation. Texas DPS does not dictate how you must hold a pistol to qualify, and ATF has since "updated" 'their opinion that shouldering a brace does not re-classify the firearm. So in my opinion as an instructor, shouldering would be ok. Not preferred, but ok.
It's late for me so I'm not going on go cut and paste but in my reading of both memos the concern was the incidental shouldering of the pistol and that was what the ATI clarified.
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Post by locke_n_load » Wed Oct 04, 2017 11:07 pm

jmorris wrote:
locke_n_load wrote:
jmorris wrote:
Medley86 wrote:Not that I would expect it to happen often, but since there is no caliber restriction, could one use an AR pistol with a brace, and then since the atf has decided it's ok, shoulder it?
As long as the brace has not been modified and the shoulder use is incidential, sporadic, or situational.
True about the modification. But about the shouldering, that is your interpretation. Texas DPS does not dictate how you must hold a pistol to qualify, and ATF has since "updated" 'their opinion that shouldering a brace does not re-classify the firearm. So in my opinion as an instructor, shouldering would be ok. Not preferred, but ok.
It's late for me so I'm not going on go cut and paste but in my reading of both memos the concern was the incidental shouldering of the pistol and that was what the ATI clarified.
I gotcha. What I took away was the intent when building the pistol originally. If the intent was to put on a brace and use that as a stock, then they made an illegal SBR. But if they built it to use as a pistol, and then shouldered it later, as long as that was not their intention when building it, then it is ok to shoulder at a later time.
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Post by couzin » Sun Oct 08, 2017 1:29 pm

Medley86 wrote:Not that I would expect it to happen often, but since there is no caliber restriction, could one use an AR pistol with a brace, and then since the atf has decided it's ok, shoulder it?
I'll bite - why would you want to? How do you plan on packing that thing around dude?
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Post by spectre » Sun Oct 08, 2017 1:58 pm

couzin wrote:
Medley86 wrote:Not that I would expect it to happen often, but since there is no caliber restriction, could one use an AR pistol with a brace, and then since the atf has decided it's ok, shoulder it?
I'll bite - why would you want to? How do you plan on packing that thing around dude?
Texas LTC doesn't list the guns you qualified with and doesn't restrict what you can carry based on caliber or action type. You can qualify with a .22LR revolver and carry a Desert Eagle or vice versa.
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Post by couzin » Sun Oct 08, 2017 3:32 pm

Heck - I know that, nor am I oblivious to the whole BATF "brace" issue on pistol ARs. I also am aware of Medley86 just posting a straw man question/comment. I was simply asking, why, pray tell, would anyone even consider showing up at the range qualification with a short barrel AR with (or without for that matter) a brace?
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