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State Fair - Again

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Post by Caliber » Tue Sep 26, 2017 1:42 pm

Read the paragraph below from the State Fair's website.

I was under the impression (from last year) that a private entity that leases property from a governmental entity may post 30.06/30.07. However, the signs have no force of law. Is that correct or am I mistaken?

With the recently enacted open-carry law, the State Fair of Texas considered whether to allow openly carried handguns during the Fair. After carefully considering the issue, the Fair has decided to prohibit open carry, while continuing to allow concealed carry. This decision is consistent with an August 9, 2016 opinion letter issued by Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, in which the Attorney General confirmed that the law which prohibits the government from banning handguns from most government property (Texas Government Code 411.209) applies only to bans implemented by the government and does not override the rights of a private entity that happens to operate on property leased from the government. In that situation, the private entity is no different than any other business operating on private property.

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Post by Jusme » Tue Sep 26, 2017 1:54 pm

IANAL, and I don't think it has been tested, but, that is my understanding also. Now, will that understanding, and interpretation, prevent someone from either being asked to "cover up", or being removed from the fair? I don't know. I didn't go to the fair last year, but the year before, I CC with no issues. JMHO
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Post by Bitter Clinger » Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:20 pm

I will let you know how it plays out for me. We are going with a group, first time, this year and I have a bag that includes a blow-out kit, a G43 with 3 mags, a flashlight and a folding knife. :eek6
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Post by apostate » Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:45 pm

I want to know why those Yankees are even allowed to call their event the Texas State Fair?


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Post by Tex1961 » Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:46 pm

Bitter Clinger wrote:I will let you know how it plays out for me. We are going with a group, first time, this year and I have a bag that includes a blow-out kit, a G43 with 3 mags, a flashlight and a folding knife. :eek6
Don't take DART..

We did a few years back... HOO BOY... Not a lot of fun coming back at night from the Fairgrounds station up to the Plano area...
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Post by crazy2medic » Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:49 pm

My understanding also was the private entity was allowed to post but that it carries no force of law and P.D. can't enforce it!
You might take a copy of the AG's ruling and highlight the pertenant parts!
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Post by Bitter Clinger » Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:52 pm

Tex1961 wrote:
Bitter Clinger wrote:I will let you know how it plays out for me. We are going with a group, first time, this year and I have a bag that includes a blow-out kit, a G43 with 3 mags, a flashlight and a folding knife. :eek6
Don't take DART..

We did a few years back... HOO BOY... Not a lot of fun coming back at night from the Fairgrounds station up to the Plano area...
Thx. If we were planning to take Dart I would bring more ammo.
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Post by Jusme » Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:21 pm

Bitter Clinger wrote:
Tex1961 wrote:
Bitter Clinger wrote:I will let you know how it plays out for me. We are going with a group, first time, this year and I have a bag that includes a blow-out kit, a G43 with 3 mags, a flashlight and a folding knife. :eek6
Don't take DART..

We did a few years back... HOO BOY... Not a lot of fun coming back at night from the Fairgrounds station up to the Plano area...
Thx. If we were planning to take Dart I would bring more ammo.

I drove to Ft.Worth, got on the TRE and then took a DART train to the fair. (wasn't going to pay the parking prices, or risk damage,etc in Dallas) Other than being crowded, Jusme Jr. and I had no issues, but we left, before dark. My experience with DART trains has always been positive, most have a DART LEO on board, and have never experienced any issues. However, it has all been during daylight hours. I just know that carry is allowed on all trains, buses,etc.
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Post by ScottDLS » Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:54 pm

I really don't see why the Fair is allowing handgun carry concealed, or otherwise. At it's heart the State Fair of Texas is an educational institution, a school, an amusement park, a zoo, and a church. That along with having 100s of 51% licensees with the entire of Fair Park as their licensed "premises". Also with local ISD's giving a day off for the Fair, it is a School Sponsored Event 100 times over. No one should carry unless they wish to risk dahh..duhh.dahhh....!!! "THE RIDE". All it takes is a well informed cop and Dallas DA with an attitude armed with KP-108 and a judges "feeling" that guns should not be at the Fair. All you gun nuts carrying your dangerous assault weapons at the Fair are committing a felony.
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Post by Jusme » Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:59 pm

ScottDLS wrote:I really don't see why the Fair is allowing handgun carry concealed, or otherwise. At it's heart the State Fair of Texas is an educational institution, a school, an amusement park, a zoo, and a church. That along with having 100s of 51% licensees with the entire of Fair Park as their licensed "premises". Also with local ISD's giving a day off for the Fair, it is a School Sponsored Event 100 times over. No one should carry unless they wish to risk dahh..duhh.dahhh....!!! "THE RIDE". All it takes is a well informed cop and Dallas DA with an attitude armed with KP-108 and a judges "feeling" that guns should not be at the Fair. All you gun nuts carrying your dangerous assault weapons at the Fair are committing a felony.

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Won't be long until we are considered "terrorists" and won't be able to ride the ferris wheel, you know, because of the tactical advantage of being so high above the crowd. :smilelol5:
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Post by jason812 » Tue Sep 26, 2017 4:28 pm

The HOT fair is at it again too:

New Security Policies

We want our guests to have a great time at the Heart O’ Texas Fair & Rodeo.We want to do everything we can to make your experience a safe and positive one.We also expect you to respect our home.
Guests to Heart O’ Texas Fair & Rodeo should be mindful of the following:
NEW this year, all guests entering will be subject to a metal detection wand and bag check in an effort to ensure the safety of those attending the Heart O’ Texas Fair & Rodeo at the Extraco Events Center.
Weapons and sharp metal objects, such as large knives, scissors and the like, are not allowed. In accordance with the State of Texas laws that protect "premises where a high school, collegiate or professional sporting event or interscholastic event is taking place," handguns are never permitted inside the Extraco Events Center.


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Post by ninjabread » Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:43 pm

If the AG hasn't sued these jack wagons yet, the only logical conclusion is he approves of them violating our civil rights under color of law.
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Post by Jusme » Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:48 pm

ninjabread wrote:If the AG hasn't sued these jack wagons yet, the only logical conclusion is he approves of them violating our civil rights under color of law.

The AG has no intention of enforcing the law. The law should have never been written giving the AG the job of enforcement. It was written so ambiguously, that, unless a citizen, can show actual harm, nothing will be done. :mad5
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Post by Keith B » Tue Sep 26, 2017 8:44 pm

jason812 wrote:The HOT fair is at it again too:

New Security Policies

We want our guests to have a great time at the Heart O’ Texas Fair & Rodeo.We want to do everything we can to make your experience a safe and positive one.We also expect you to respect our home.
Guests to Heart O’ Texas Fair & Rodeo should be mindful of the following:
NEW this year, all guests entering will be subject to a metal detection wand and bag check in an effort to ensure the safety of those attending the Heart O’ Texas Fair & Rodeo at the Extraco Events Center.
Weapons and sharp metal objects, such as large knives, scissors and the like, are not allowed. In accordance with the State of Texas laws that protect "premises where a high school, collegiate or professional sporting event or interscholastic event is taking place," handguns are never permitted inside the Extraco Events Center.
The rodeo part makes it a professional sporting event, so will be off limits for that portion.
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Post by jason812 » Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:00 pm

Keith B wrote:
The rodeo part makes it a professional sporting event, so will be off limits for that portion.
The rodeo is inside the colosseum and you have to purchase separate tickets to go in. The colosseum is posted with both signs permanently even though the grounds are publicly owned.

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