Licensed carry at my apartment complex

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Re: Licensed carry at my apartment complex

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Post by Soccerdad1995 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:49 pm

Keith B wrote:
Pritchical wrote:
ninjabread wrote:Take a first aid class and then ignore the 30.06 signs. :txflag:
I like this idea, for many reasons. But doesn't the law say that the volunteer has to be 'on duty' to carry past the sign?
Nope.
TPC 30.06/30.07
(f) It is a defense to prosecution under this section that the license holder is volunteer emergency services personnel, as defined by Section 46.01.
30.05 requires you to be performing the duties.

and
46.01: (18) “Volunteer emergency services personnel” includes a volunteer firefighter;
an emergency medical services volunteer as defined by Section 773.003, Health
and Safety Code; and any individual who, as a volunteer, provides services for
the benefit of the general public during emergency situations
. The term does
not include a peace officer or reserve law enforcement officer, as those terms
are defined by Section 1701.001, Occupations Code, who is performing law
enforcement duties.
If you are a ham radio operator and member of ARES or RACES, SKYWARN spotter, etc, you would also qualify.
As written it is a fairly sweeping exemption. I performed services for the benefit of the general public during a recent emergency situation (Hurricane Harvey), and am willing and able to do so for any future emergency situations. All of this is on a volunteer basis. So I should easily qualify.

That said, in court, I would expect that we might litigate around the exact definition of the words "services", "general public", and to a lesser degree "emergency situations". If necessary, I could provide witnesses who would testify to my long history of performing such services during winter power outages when I lived in colder climates as well as the aforementioned recent services during Harvey. It all depends on how far a DA is willing to go to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that I do not meet the exception so they can collect their $200 fine.
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Re: Licensed carry at my apartment complex

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Post by Pariah3j » Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:02 pm

My thought would be to get a verbal Ok to carry past the sign to turn in your check or attend group functions. That would meet the legal requirements to carry past as she would be the person of authority to give it IMO. Should something happen and someone decided you have violated the 30.06(which with the verbal OK, you haven't) it would still only be a $200 fine.
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Re: Licensed carry at my apartment complex

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Post by SIGFan43 » Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:03 am

I am the original creator of this post. Good news yesterday. The owners of my apartment complex have removed the 30.06 and 30.07 signs from the community room/leasing office building, and also have declared the 30.06/30.07 addendum on my lease null and void. It appears the Illinois owners who purchased the place six months ago were concerned about the church shooting at Southerland Springs and mass killings since then. They have finally realized that wherever we are, having a licensed concealed/open carry in the building is better than no defense at all. I will once again be attending the monthly luncheons (and bringing my Chocolate Mocha Cake to share), and can pay my rent by walking into the leasing office concealed or open carry without violating any company rules. Finally! :hurry: :woohoo
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Post by SigM4 » Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:09 am

^Awesome news, congrats.
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Post by Pawpaw » Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:10 am

That's great news! A rare, but excellent outcome. :thumbs2:
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Re: Licensed carry at my apartment complex

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Post by strogg » Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:29 am

Sweet. That bit of news made my morning much more pleasant.


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Re: Licensed carry at my apartment complex

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Post by dawgfishboy » Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:09 pm

strogg wrote:Sweet. That bit of news made my morning much more pleasant.
^ Agreed!
So glad to hear this.

Great outcome...and with such eloquence, SIGFan43!

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Post by JustSomeOldGuy » Sat Mar 24, 2018 3:01 pm

Good news, indeed!
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Re: Licensed carry at my apartment complex

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Post by Abraham » Sat Mar 24, 2018 3:07 pm

SIGFan43,

I'm especially happy for you.

For years, I too was an apartment renter.

Had I been told I had to be unarmed, ah...I'll say no more, but you can guess what I'd do...


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Re: Licensed carry at my apartment complex

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Post by DKB » Mon Apr 02, 2018 3:25 pm

I see they removed the sign that's awesome! :hurry:

For other creditors with 30.06/30.07 signs, most banks have online bill pay services. If your bank has a payment guarantee and the payment gets lost it would ultimately be the bank's problem.
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