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Re: I want to keep my guns.

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Post by NNT » Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:27 pm

I agree not everyone is stable enough to own or operate guns well. My issue is the old saying of don't give a friend power you would not give your enemy. Currently they 'might' exclude depression, or I had a bad day at work, or ... but anything in they system is like anything on the internet. It may never be found again, but it never disappears.

Knock on door, hello Mr gun owner. I see that 30 years ago you talked to a counselor at work after your divorce, we consider that mental health treatment. What is the combo to your safe please...

Protect ourselves and children first.
Fix crazy people second.
Don't take away my right to protect myself EVER.

My church today talked to some of us and reminded us they don't consider carry guns in the building appropriate, but falling far short of banning us. I struggle with that one. For now I choose to respect the request. I am not sure I alway will.


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Re: I want to keep my guns.

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Post by philip964 » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:17 pm

18 years old for bolt action rifle or 2 barrel shotgun.

21 years old for semi automatic handgun, pump shotgun

25 years old semi automatic rifle, automatic shotgun

No bump stocks or other rapid fire devices

50 state plus D.C. CHL license.

No off limits for CHL, except NFL stadiums, and businesses who post.


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Re: I want to keep my guns.

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Post by Soccerdad1995 » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:24 pm

rp_photo wrote:
TheFriscoKid wrote:I also want to see an end to mass shootings, school massacres and suicides.

What is the common thread? Declining mental health.

I don't think we have a gun problem but a mental health problem.
An untended consequence I see is gun owners being unwilling to seek help for mental issues out of fear of losing their rights. And I can't say I blame them.
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Re: I want to keep my guns.

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Post by Soccerdad1995 » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:35 pm

philip964 wrote:18 years old for bolt action rifle or 2 barrel shotgun.

21 years old for semi automatic handgun, pump shotgun

25 years old semi automatic rifle, automatic shotgun

No bump stocks or other rapid fire devices

50 state plus D.C. CHL license.

No off limits for CHL, except NFL stadiums, and businesses who post.
So mass shootings concentrated at NFL stadiums. I also dislike the NFL for their refusal to crack down on anti-American player protesters, but I still think we should keep their fans safe.

Are you making an age exception for our military, or should we just raise the minimum age to serve to be 25? Either way, this is a bad idea, IMHO. Raise the driving age to 25 since more people are killed by drivers under that age, than by shooters under 25.

Define "rapid fire devices". Unless it is defined in such a way that common everyday items are included, then your ban will be non-effective. But maybe it will make you feel better.

I like National reciprocity, but all licenses should be issued by the states, not the federal government.
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Post by flechero » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:51 pm

NNT wrote: My church today talked to some of us and reminded us they don't consider carry guns in the building appropriate, but falling far short of banning us. I struggle with that one. For now I choose to respect the request. I am not sure I alway will.
Sorry to hear that... it would have been my last day there. It's a non-negotiable item for me.


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Re: I want to keep my guns.

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Post by XnTx » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:00 pm

I've been thinking about the all inclusive, anti-bullying, we love everybody societal change. Why didn't "they", not necessarily the victims, but members of his peer group, circle of acquaintances, generation, etc help him? I mean he was obviously troubled, an outcast, probably bullied, because he was different. Why didn't "they" try to include him, help him integrate, befriend him, let him know that he was one of them and they are all one together?

Before someone says I am blaming the victims, I am not. I am asking a sociologically serious question. This makes more sense than to blame me and anyone else that wants to keep and bear arms. "They" keep diverting the solution to the problem from themselves to a piece of machinery.
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Re: I want to keep my guns.

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Post by bblhd672 » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:02 pm

philip964 wrote:18 years old for bolt action rifle or 2 barrel shotgun.

21 years old for semi automatic handgun, pump shotgun

25 years old semi automatic rifle, automatic shotgun

No bump stocks or other rapid fire devices

50 state plus D.C. CHL license.

No off limits for CHL, except NFL stadiums, and businesses who post.
Every concession you make to the anti-freedom side the more excited they get about being closer to their goal of repealing the 2nd Amendment.

There’s already so many gun laws, rules and regulations that the government cannot/will not enforce. The last 20-30 years has seen “the people” vote for more and more rights to be armed and protect their families.

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And now those who have been winning the freedom and liberty battles are proposing to start losing again?
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Re: I want to keep my guns.

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Post by bblhd672 » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:08 pm

flechero wrote:
NNT wrote: My church today talked to some of us and reminded us they don't consider carry guns in the building appropriate, but falling far short of banning us. I struggle with that one. For now I choose to respect the request. I am not sure I alway will.
Sorry to hear that... it would have been my last day there. It's a non-negotiable item for me.

:iagree: And I bet their argument against ability to protect your family wasn’t Biblical based but more about “feelings.”
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Re: I want to keep my guns.

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Post by treadlightly » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:45 pm

The Sermon on the Mount was delivered to an armed congregation.


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Post by Chemist45 » Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:06 pm

Flechero,
I agree with most of what you said with the exception of paying more money for additional school protection.
I already pay far to much in taxes for a really bad education system.
How about this instead: We take a few of the non-core positions that have proliferated in our schools and trade them for armed guards and armed teacher training.
I'm talking about a few of the, far too many, administrators that now outnumber teachers in school districts.
Or maybe the school's "Diversity director" or "Self esteem coordinator".
I think it is far more important that our kids be safe while learning the three Rs than it is to learn about:
Global warming, Ump-teen genders, same sex marriage, or social responsibility.
I also think it is more important than a free breakfast, a free lunch or "Summer feeding".
I keep getting told that kids can't learn when they're hungry - well they can't learn when they are afraid either.


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Re: I want to keep my guns.

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Post by TheFriscoKid » Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:06 pm

philip964 wrote:18 years old for bolt action rifle or 2 barrel shotgun.

21 years old for semi automatic handgun, pump shotgun

25 years old semi automatic rifle, automatic shotgun

No bump stocks or other rapid fire devices

50 state plus D.C. CHL license.

No off limits for CHL, except NFL stadiums, and businesses who post.

An idea like this also occurred to me but I haven't yet found any statistics on the avg age of mass shooters.

I also should try to find stats on avg age of all shooters.

I don't think age alone can be a gating factor. I know that a younger version of me was more prone to anger and emotional decisions. I trust myself much more now to stay level headed.


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Re: I want to keep my guns.

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Post by jason812 » Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:02 am

philip964 wrote:18 years old for bolt action rifle or 2 barrel shotgun.

21 years old for semi automatic handgun, pump shotgun

25 years old semi automatic rifle, automatic shotgun

No bump stocks or other rapid fire devices

50 state plus D.C. CHL license.

No off limits for CHL, except NFL stadiums, and businesses who post.
NFL stadiums or just NFL games? Plenty of events that are held in the stadiums that are not affiliated with the NFL. Just cause the players are thugs, doesn't make the fans thugs. (I'm not a fan by the way)

Age restrictions won't solve anything. Plenty of kids still get booze under the age of 21. Plenty of people get drugs of their choice. Texting and driving is now illegal but I still see plenty of people do that everyday.

Gun laws won't stop crime, if they would, Chicago should be one of the safest cities in America.

I bought my first AR when I was 20 in 1999.

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Re: I want to keep my guns.

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Post by carlson1 » Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:27 am

Why no off limits EXCEPT the NFL Stadiums? Why do they get a pass? Just curious.
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Re: I want to keep my guns.

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Post by anygunanywhere » Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:10 am

philip964 wrote:18 years old for bolt action rifle or 2 barrel shotgun.

21 years old for semi automatic handgun, pump shotgun

25 years old semi automatic rifle, automatic shotgun

No bump stocks or other rapid fire devices

50 state plus D.C. CHL license.

No off limits for CHL, except NFL stadiums, and businesses who post.
I’m guessing there will be exemptions for veterans.
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Re: I want to keep my guns.

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Post by apostate » Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:12 am

If guns and football don't mix, it's far more Constitutional for the government to ban the NFL outright than to infringe the right to bear arms at NFL games.

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