Age old debate: LTC Badges

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Re: Age old debate: LTC Badges

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Post by TexasAggLTC » Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:15 pm

Believe me,

My preferred method of carry is concealed for all the reasons mentioned above.

Please remember that the original question was ONLY regarding the “impersonating a police officer” issue. I am not arguing that open carry is safer for us LTC holders.. I just wanted to debate the impersonating a LEO issue.

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Re: Age old debate: LTC Badges

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Post by carlson1 » Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:31 pm

allisji wrote:
There are many other reasons why LTCers don't want a badge.

It seems that those who want a badge have settled on Open Carry as the reason why it would be a good idea. Ultimately the argument is that a badge would put the sheeple at ease when they see an openly carried handgun. Why? Because they correlate a badge to the Police.

I may be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure the badge argument has been around long before Open Carry was legal in Texas. I can only assume that the argument for a badge before Open Carry was legal is effectively the same argument for why Open Carry is effective. In lieu of an openly carried handgun, a badge would indicate that the bearer of the badge is carrying a concealed handgun, thus not an easy target and an effective crime deterrent.

I don't know the laws or court rulings regarding impersonating an LEO, but I would not want to be mistaken for an LEO in an emergency situation. I can think of other ways to indicate my status as an armed citizen if I were so inclined, such as wearing NRA apparel. Though at this point in time I choose to carry concealed and to not indicate my armed status
I am in agreement with you 100%. I sure don’t know what the law is exactly. I have though often wondered about those who buy shirts and hats that say, “Police, Sheriff, DEA, FBI, etc...” on them. I have seen them for sale one time in a connivence store in Gunbarrel City. My curiosity is why? Back in my LE days on my days off I never wore anything the would point ”Police.” When I went into Narcotics I never resembled the Police ever again. :smilelol5:
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Re: Age old debate: LTC Badges

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Post by Keith B » Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:32 pm

This is one of those areas where it takes a action or an item truly indicating they are a peace officer in some aspect to prosecute.

By action:
Texas Penal Code - PENAL § 37.11. Impersonating Public Servant

(a) A person commits an offense if he:

(1) impersonates a public servant with intent to induce another to submit to his pretended official authority or to rely on his pretended official acts;  or

(2) knowingly purports to exercise any function of a public servant or of a public office, including that of a judge and court, and the position or office through which he purports to exercise a function of a public servant or public office has no lawful existence under the constitution or laws of this state or of the United States.
By the item (badge or ID Card)
(a) Texas Penal Code - PENAL § 37.12. False Identification as Peace Officer;  Misrepresentation of Property

A person commits an offense if:

(1) the person makes, provides to another person, or possesses a card, document, badge, insignia, shoulder emblem, or other item bearing an insignia of a law enforcement agency that identifies a person as a peace officer or a reserve law enforcement officer;  and

(2) the person who makes, provides, or possesses the item bearing the insignia knows that the person so identified by the item is not commissioned as a peace officer or reserve law enforcement officer as indicated on the item.
So, just having a badge is not illegal, but telling them you are a peace officer or getting them to submit to a search by implying your are a cop, etc while wearing a badge or ID holder will probably get you arrested. Depending on the credibility of the witness, they may decide to prosecute you.
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Re: Age old debate: LTC Badges

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Post by carlson1 » Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:34 pm

Thanks Keith.
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Re: Age old debate: LTC Badges

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Post by mojo84 » Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:57 pm

For many, the bar is lower than the potential legal statutes of actually impersonating an officer. Some just don't want to potentially be thought of as a goofball trying to be a pseudo cop. I just do not think many in the public would be very receptive or respectful of someone that is wearing a toy badge.

Just because something is legal doesn't mean it's a good idea. However, to each his own. I have seen a guy wearing an chl badge on his belt. It was a bit comical and the ladies weren't impressed.

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Re: Age old debate: LTC Badges

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Post by Grundy1133 » Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:12 pm

mojo84 wrote: It was a bit comical and the ladies weren't impressed.
well forget it then! if the ladies weren't impressed I want no part of it! :lol:
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Re: Age old debate: LTC Badges

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Post by SRO1911 » Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:37 pm

I have a very nice badge, has the city seal and my name on it - says code enforcement officer in nice black lettering.
I make it a point to wear it on my Left side- opposite my weapon which is typically concealed to avoid even the appearance of impersonation.
I also have a fire dept badge, goes on a class A shirt that only comes out for funerals.

A badge and gun implies peace officer in most place and, in my opinion, to most lay people on the street - aside from the charge of impersonation, I don't want to be in a position where someone needs an officer and comes to me or pulls me into their issue. I am not opposed to helping people, that's part of my job, but domestic disputes and social substance problems are out of my jurisdiction.
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Re: Age old debate: LTC Badges

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Post by Ruark » Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:39 pm

Agreed. I can't imagine anything sillier than walking around wearing some kind of badge indicating you're CC. Hey, do a Google Images search for "concealed carry badge." Amazing.

That being said, it would be interesting, if nothing else, to be able to spot other CC'ers in a crowd. I've often been in a place full of people and wondered how many others were carrying. Am I surrounded by them, or am I the only one....??

Maybe do like the Masons - have some kind of secret hand signal, or handshake or maybe a code word... :cheers2:
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Re: Age old debate: LTC Badges

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Post by Grundy1133 » Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:54 pm

Ruark wrote:or maybe a code word...
approach someone and say
"The condor flies at noon"
they look at you and reply
"unless the lion roars in the morning"
and then they both proceed to initiate the secret handshake. :smilelol5:
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Re: Age old debate: LTC Badges

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Post by jerry_r60 » Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:10 pm

As you started, An old question. I think you will find most associate the desire for a badge with the desire to ware a Batman costume.

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Re: Age old debate: LTC Badges

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Post by mojo84 » Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:13 pm

Here's a vintage thread started by Abraham on the subject.

http://www.texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=36573

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Re: Age old debate: LTC Badges

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Post by troglodyte » Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:24 pm

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Re: Age old debate: LTC Badges

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Post by jmorris » Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:26 pm

IIRC, it all started with this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=987DpPD9lNU
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Re: Age old debate: LTC Badges

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Post by TreyHouston » Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:40 pm

jmorris wrote:IIRC, it all started with this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=987DpPD9lNU

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Re: Age old debate: LTC Badges

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Post by OneGun » Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:57 pm

I do not like a badge for several reasons. 1) I am not a LEO. However there are some people that may think otherwise. A CHL licensee in the town over from me tried to shoot out the tires of fleeing shop lifters. 2) I carry concealed. No reason to advertise.
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