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What is a "school"?

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Post by mloamiller » Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:36 am

Section 46.03 prohibits carry "on the physical premises of a school or educational institution", as well as "on the premises where a high school, collegiate, or professional sporting event". It later defines "school" as "a private or public elementary or secondary school" but doesn't provide any further definition that I can find of "high school".

I understand "elementary and secondary" to mean Grades K-12. That would exclude Pre-K and daycare so you could carry on those premises, assuming it's on a campus separate from K-12, correct?

I understand that a high school football game would be off limits, but what about a Jr. High or even elementary game? If they are not on the "premises" (building or portion of a building), then it seems carry would be allowed.

Is there a specific definition of "high school"? To me, that means 9-12, but some cities are only 10-12, with 9 being their own school. If 9 is separate, would that be considered a "high school"?
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Post by gtolbert09 » Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:52 am

I think the reason it's not defined is because school districts have their own definitions. For example Southlake-Carroll has 9th and 10th grade in a "high school" and 11-12 grades in a Senior High School. In Lewisville ISD each High school has a 9th grade campus but not all of them are co-located with the High School, yet are still considered "high schools". Then you have school districts that have Junior high consisting of 7-8-9 grades and High School with 10-11-12 grades. My guess is these all have to do with education philosophy and population of the school districts. This is probably why "high school" isn't defined in detail.
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Post by Soccerdad1995 » Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:59 am

You also have some places that are owned by you and I, which don't like the fact that they can't legally restrict our right to carry, so they call themselves "schools". This includes public libraries and zoos.
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Post by mloamiller » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:12 am

gtolbert09 wrote:I think the reason it's not defined is because school districts have their own definitions. For example Southlake-Carroll has 9th and 10th grade in a "high school" and 11-12 grades in a Senior High School. In Lewisville ISD each High school has a 9th grade campus but not all of them are co-located with the High School, yet are still considered "high schools". Then you have school districts that have Junior high consisting of 7-8-9 grades and High School with 10-11-12 grades. My guess is these all have to do with education philosophy and population of the school districts. This is probably why "high school" isn't defined in detail.
I guess the determining factor could be what do they call themselves? If a 7-8-9 building says "Jr. High" on the outside, then it isn't a "high school." Same for a 9th-only building that says "9th Grade Center."

A student in a recent LTC class asked the question "could I carry at a Jr. High football game" and I wasn't really sure what the answer was.
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Post by Grundy1133 » Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:25 pm

School
noun;
A government brainwashing facility.
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Post by bblhd672 » Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:43 pm

mloamiller wrote:Section 46.03 prohibits carry "on the physical premises of a school or educational institution", as well as "on the premises where a high school, collegiate, or professional sporting event". It later defines "school" as "a private or public elementary or secondary school" but doesn't provide any further definition that I can find of "high school".

I understand "elementary and secondary" to mean Grades K-12. That would exclude Pre-K and daycare so you could carry on those premises, assuming it's on a campus separate from K-12, correct?

I understand that a high school football game would be off limits, but what about a Jr. High or even elementary game? If they are not on the "premises" (building or portion of a building), then it seems carry would be allowed.

Is there a specific definition of "high school"? To me, that means 9-12, but some cities are only 10-12, with 9 being their own school. If 9 is separate, would that be considered a "high school"?
Here's the part of 46.03 that is relevant:
(1) on the physical premises of a school or educational institution, any grounds or building on which an activity sponsored by a school or educational institution is being conducted
The Jr. High or Elementary game would be a school sponsored event.

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