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This was a first.

I've spotted many others (maybe like 20 people) carrying. I'm always looking and trying to find others who are exercising their 2A, or worse, carrying with malcontent.

Well, today, I was at a business where I spotted someone. It wasn't hard. He was wearing 511 gear, wearing a fanny pack, etc.
The gun, a Glock 19, was actually in his front pocket. I could see the butt fairly easily. So, was he carrying something else in the fanny pack? Probably...

Anyway, normally this makes me happy. I'm pretty sure he was legally carrying. Every other time I've spotted someone, I feel safer... Not this time.

The reasons I was uncomfortable were
1). He was wearing "anti Trump" shirt and hat. Hateful stuff with cuss words ... not just anti-Trump, but hateful. (Note: this isn't a political comment... I didn't even vote for Trump, but it doesn't fit the typical profile of a 511-gear wearing guy, so I felt something a bit off and anyone wearing clothes with cuss words, especially politically motivated, just strikes me as "angry" therefore potentially dangerous).

2). His hand was constantly on it. I was behind him in line, and he kept putting his hand in that pocket and actually grabbing the grip of the Glock. He would put his in, grab it, then bring his hand out to talk or whatever.

This was a new experience, and I haven't posted in a long time, so I thought I'd share.
Was I wrong? (somewhat rhetorically asked because I believe we should always trust our gut, but I feel kind of 'guilty' for judging someone who was likely another legal, law-abiding carrier like all of us).

If you could see the butt of the gun, and it wasn't being carried in a belt or shoulder holster, then he was not legally carrying.

Soccerdad1995 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:35 pm If you could see the butt of the gun, and it wasn't being carried in a belt or shoulder holster, then he was not legally carrying.

Well, it was not an open carry.
I am 99% sure it would have to be intentional for it to break the law.

This was more of an accidental exposure, which we all know is not illegal.

You could have called the police and told them you were scared the guy was about to do something because of Maxine Waters hateful rhetoric encouraging anti-Trump activities.

bblhd672 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:50 pm You could have called the police and told them you were scared the guy was about to do something because of Maxine Waters hateful rhetoric encouraging anti-Trump activities.

i woulda been uncomfortable too... the fact that he kept grabbing his gun is kinda of unsettling... and the fact that he had a fanny pack and wearing 5.11 gear it reminds me of one of those paranoid prepper/doomsdayers... granted i prep a bit like emergency food and water and a genny with gas, but im talking those hard core borderline cult members who think the world is out to get them...

Maybe someone extremely new to carrying who hasn't soaked in good advice yet. How old? mid 20's - early 30's?

Given his bizarre behavior...if you see something (wrong) say something.

This guy sounds like a ticking time bomb...

Allons wrote: ↑Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:51 pm

bblhd672 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:50 pm You could have called the police and told them you were scared the guy was about to do something because of Maxine Waters hateful rhetoric encouraging anti-Trump activities.

Yea , but I bet he was looking for someone to challenge him so he could say he had to defend himself against one of us hateful racist Trumpsters. Mad Maxine has given some of them the courage to try and carry out her words.
The cuss words on his clothes would have gotten him a firm invitation to leave our store. If he refused then police would be called to enforce it and issue a no trespass order.

loktite wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 5:26 am Maybe someone extremely new to carrying who hasn't soaked in good advice yet. How old? mid 20's - early 30's?

No. 50's, but he also appeared to be foreign born... either Spain or South America, so maybe new to it here in Texas.

Abraham wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:05 am Given his bizarre behavior...if you see something (wrong) say something.

This guy sounds like a ticking time bomb...

Well, maybe, but his body language and demeanor was fine other than he kept putting his hand in his pocket on the butt. I attributed that to being a newbie at carrying. I remember touching my gun more than I should when I first started carrying. Almost like I was double checking to make sure it's there.

Scott in Houston wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:20 am

loktite wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 5:26 am Maybe someone extremely new to carrying who hasn't soaked in good advice yet. How old? mid 20's - early 30's?

No. 50's, but he also appeared to be foreign born... either Spain or South America, so maybe new to it here in Texas.

Somebody should tell him in Americs it's not polite to play with your Glock in public.

Scott in Houston wrote: ↑Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:46 pm

Soccerdad1995 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:35 pm If you could see the butt of the gun, and it wasn't being carried in a belt or shoulder holster, then he was not legally carrying.

Well, it was not an open carry.
I am 99% sure it would have to be intentional for it to break the law.

This was more of an accidental exposure, which we all know is not illegal.

Got it. My confusion was when you said "I could see the butt fairly easily". If part of the gun can be seen "fairly easily" then I'm not sure it is a valid excuse to say that one really really meant to conceal the gun.

Soccerdad1995 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:58 pm

Scott in Houston wrote: ↑Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:46 pm

Soccerdad1995 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:35 pm If you could see the butt of the gun, and it wasn't being carried in a belt or shoulder holster, then he was not legally carrying.

Well, it was not an open carry.
I am 99% sure it would have to be intentional for it to break the law.

This was more of an accidental exposure, which we all know is not illegal.

Got it. My confusion was when you said "I could see the butt fairly easily". If part of the gun can be seen "fairly easily" then I'm not sure it is a valid excuse to say that one really really meant to conceal the gun.

Yeah... I guess that sounded confusing. It was fairly easy for me to spot, because I was scanning him up and down as I knew he was carrying.
I guarantee you nobody else would ever see it, and those who might, probably wouldn't know what they were looking at.