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How Law Abiding are LTC Holders?

Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 6:16 pm
by SigSour

Re: How Law Abiding are LTC Holders?

Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 7:11 pm
by Salty1
I consider the referenced article to be obsolete as the study was performed  January 1, 2005 through December 31, 2007,well over 10 years ago. More recent studies should be used if one is going to use statistics.

Re: How Law Abiding are LTC Holders?

Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 7:51 pm
by bblhd672
Here’s a good thread to read through on the topic.
https://texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php ... Statistics


If you don’t want to read it all then:https://texaschlforum.com/download/file.php?id=7163


And then there’s the DPS stats:
https://www.dps.texas.gov/rsd/LTC/reports/convrates.htm

Re: How Law Abiding are LTC Holders?

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:13 pm
by Maxwell
And then there’s the DPS stats:
https://www.dps.texas.gov/rsd/LTC/reports/convrates.htm

0.3819% for 2017

That's up a little bit. :totap:

Re: How Law Abiding are LTC Holders?

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:30 pm
by Allons
Over 43,000 convictions in 2017, and LTC holders are less than a half percent of the total; I'd say that's pretty good. There's a couple of bad apples in every group. Might even be a couple of people who got a bum deal or said too much and got themselves convicted.

Re: How Law Abiding are LTC Holders?

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 6:07 pm
by Scott B.
It's disturbing to dig into what those convictions are, but then I have to remind myself how small a fraction they are of the general populous...which in turn is disturbing all over again.

Re: How Law Abiding are LTC Holders?

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:03 pm
by Maxwell
Scott B. wrote:
Fri Aug 03, 2018 6:07 pm
It's disturbing to dig into what those convictions are, but then I have to remind myself how small a fraction they are of the general populous...which in turn is disturbing all over again.
Yeah, I looked at that also. It is disturbing.

Re: How Law Abiding are LTC Holders?

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:19 pm
by Chaparral
So, by committing suicide before being arrested or convicted, will Joseph Pappas have avoided adding to this list? (I’m assuming that someone, in fact, an ex LEO, who tried to start-up a business as a CHL instructor, as reported in the press, was also a CHL/LTC holder.)

Re: How Law Abiding are LTC Holders?

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:37 pm
by philip964
Are we still doing better than LEO’s?

Was Pappas a LTC. Never saw that in any story.

Re: How Law Abiding are LTC Holders?

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:43 pm
by Chaparral
Maybe he was a retired TX peace officer, and therefore didn’t require LTC to carry??? He registered a a business as Pappas Academy of Concealed Handgun Instruction, but was not a current DPS LTC instructor.

Re: How Law Abiding are LTC Holders?

Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 7:34 am
by E.Marquez
Maxwell wrote:
Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:13 pm
And then there’s the DPS stats:
https://www.dps.texas.gov/rsd/LTC/reports/convrates.htm

0.3819% for 2017

That's up a little bit. :totap:
I so wish there was a related bit of research available with this conviction data ...Like the case numbers used to build the conviction numbers.

Deadly conduct
Unlawful carrying
Murder
what were those cases about?

Re: How Law Abiding are LTC Holders?

Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 8:00 am
by Jusme
E.Marquez wrote:
Sat Aug 04, 2018 7:34 am
Maxwell wrote:
Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:13 pm
And then there’s the DPS stats:
https://www.dps.texas.gov/rsd/LTC/reports/convrates.htm

0.3819% for 2017

That's up a little bit. :totap:
I so wish there was a related bit of research available with this conviction data ...Like the case numbers used to build the conviction numbers.

Deadly conduct
Unlawful carrying
Murder
what were those cases about?

I don't know where you would access it, or if you would have to do an open records request, but, if an LTC holder is convicted, of any felony, his LTC is revoked. There also has to be a reason given, for the revocation. If the reason is "convicted, of murder" , then it would be a simple way to locate that person's case. I don't know if these records are available, but it might give you a way to look up the cases. JMHO

Re: How Law Abiding are LTC Holders?

Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 2:11 pm
by bigtek
philip964 wrote:
Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:37 pm
Are we still doing better than LEO’s?
Yes.
philip964 wrote:
Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:37 pm
Was Pappas a LTC. Never saw that in any story.
Me neither but he was a LEO for many years and LEOSA offers better right to bear arms than LTC.

Re: How Law Abiding are LTC Holders?

Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 8:38 pm
by Scott B.
bigtek wrote:
Sat Aug 04, 2018 2:11 pm
philip964 wrote:
Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:37 pm
Are we still doing better than LEO’s?
Yes.
philip964 wrote:
Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:37 pm
Was Pappas a LTC. Never saw that in any story.
Me neither but he was a LEO for many years and LEOSA offers better right to bear arms than LTC.
I asked about an LTC to a person who knew him back when he was competing in IDPA and they couldn't say. Can you retire as a career reserve officer and get retired LEO creds?

Re: How Law Abiding are LTC Holders?

Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:37 am
by lama
Can anyone confirm my thought? When looking at the DPS data posted up string, is it true that the total convictions is not a # of individuals? For instance if someone is arrested and convicted of robbing 2 homes it could be that one person makes up both BURGLARY OF HABITATION convictions on the report?