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Liberty County Building - Posted

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I searched and didn't find this situation previously posted. Please delete if my searchers were incomplete

This situation sticks in my craw because we have a similar one in Denton County. It seems that the Attorney General's office actions are not sufficient to stop the practice in multiple places. I'm posting it because it seems like a good alternative approach to addressing the matter. How effective it might be, only time will tell. I don't know Liberty County politics at all so I have no way to judge whether the Republican group's resolution could have any impact

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chasfm11 wrote: Thu Sep 06, 2018 12:24 pm I searched and didn't find this situation previously posted. Please delete if my searchers were incomplete

This situation sticks in my craw because we have a similar one in Denton County. It seems that the Attorney General's office actions are not sufficient to stop the practice in multiple places. I'm posting it because it seems like a good alternative approach to addressing the matter. How effective it might be, only time will tell. I don't know Liberty County politics at all so I have no way to judge whether the Republican group's resolution could have any impact

https://s4580.pcdn.co/wp-content/upload ... al-Res.pdf
Mail it as registered mail to the clerk of the Judge in the courthouse. It will be verified that way. Wait three days then upload to Ken Paxton's online submittal here: https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/apps/3006/

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I'm certain that the Denton County situation was submitted to the Attorney General's office - without any relief. I have no knowledge about the Liberty County one.
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chasfm11 wrote: Thu Sep 06, 2018 12:58 pm I'm certain that the Denton County situation was submitted to the Attorney General's office - without any relief. I have no knowledge about the Liberty County one.
Neither of those counties are listed here: https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/30 ... ng-letters

It is possible no one bothered to submit it. If you have the opportunity, please feel free to do so.

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Thanks for the feedback Russel. It is possible that the Denton Precinct 3 building was not submitted to the AG and I have no problem doing that. If there seems to be more than Waller County involved, perhaps the chances of a favorable ruling will improve. I'll let the Liberty folks work on their situation if they chose to do more than the resolution in my link.
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Russell wrote: Thu Sep 06, 2018 2:29 pm More than likely all actions against invalidly-posted government buildings are on pause until the lawsuit against Waller County makes it way through the court system.
Mmmm, sort of. Austin is actually the big rock.

I just called the OAG's office and learned a couple things. Note that the following is my summary/interpretation/deduction of what I heard. Keep in mind that the last set of Ruling Letters/Violation Letters was issued on 15 Aug 17, i.e. about a year ago.

- He didn't have exact number at hand, but in 2018 there have probably been less than five complaints filed with the OAG (and I did not ask if Denton or Liberty was among them). I believe there are a few more from the 2017 pending. Some complaints have been resolved short of an actual ruling letter (and so not posted on the website) by contacting the offending government entity soon after the complaint came in, and those entities voluntarily came into compliance (or, I presume, the complaint was not legally valid) without further official action.

- The Austin City case is the big effort right now, and it consumes a lot of resources (looks to me they have help from outside counsel as well as OAG lawyers). The OAG's case against Waller County case is also open. A lot of determinations (at least with respect to courts and court premises) may be resolved or at least strongly affected by the Austin City case. So anything to do with courthouses is "pending", and a lot of enforcement actions are being held in abatement.

- There are some other complaints that might require litigation to resolve. Because even a single case takes a lot of time and effort, they are looking at various strategies to deal with them short of litigation, but don't want to disclose that to me or anyone else at the moment.

- Depending on what happens with the Austin City case and the other potential cases, they may have some suggestions for the Legislature on how to clarify some things in the law.

If you feel strongly about an invalid sign posting, I strongly suggest you use the statutory procedure and submit a complaint to the OAG. It will go on the appropriate stack for awhile, but it will provide ammo for later, like for calculating fines or telling the Legislature how many entities are flaunting the law. For a fine to take effect, the OAG has to go through the process and issue a Violation Letter, and IIRC, it is not until 15 days after that the daily fine starts accruing. Austin will owe a bunch of money if they lose, but any building with a court in it that is completely offlimits is getting a free ride if there is no complaint on file.
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Oh, and I forgot the big news: hearing for the City of Austin will happen the week of 9/17.

Think I will cross post this in the Ruling Letters thread, since it pertains to more than just Liberty County.
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Without sounding overly harsh we need some judges to grow a pair and start sanctioning the individuals responsible for these policies for official oppression and abuse of office.

Apparently using taxpayer dollars to flagrantly violate the law isn't enough as long as there are no personal consequences being borne by those doing so.
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This should be something our state reps need to fix. The cost of litigation for the state and county trying to prohibit carry is ridiculous.

There should be no prohibition for a licensed person in any government building or office with the only exception (possibly) being a courtroom in session. Not the hallway outside the courtroom, not the entire building where there is a courtroom, not the clerks office, but the actual room while court is in session. I would be okay with that restriction.

My preference is that the lege amend the law to allow LTC holders to carry anywhere LEO can carry.
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GeekwithaGun wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:04 am This should be something our state reps need to fix. The cost of litigation for the state and county trying to prohibit carry is ridiculous.

There should be no prohibition for a licensed person in any government building or office with the only exception (possibly) being a courtroom in session. Not the hallway outside the courtroom, not the entire building where there is a courtroom, not the clerks office, but the actual room while court is in session. I would be okay with that restriction.

My preference is that the lege amend the law to allow LTC holders to carry anywhere LEO can carry.
That's what I have been inundating, my reps, the Governor, and other reps, known to be pro LTC, with. There is no reason, for LTC holders, who have proven themselves, to be the most law abiding, should be unable to carry, anywhere, a LEO, can, even when they are off duty. JMHO
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GeekwithaGun wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:04 am This should be something our state reps need to fix. The cost of litigation for the state and county trying to prohibit carry is ridiculous.

There should be no prohibition for a licensed person in any government building or office with the only exception (possibly) being a courtroom in session. Not the hallway outside the courtroom, not the entire building where there is a courtroom, not the clerks office, but the actual room while court is in session. I would be okay with that restriction.

My preference is that the lege amend the law to allow LTC holders to carry anywhere LEO can carry.
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ScottDLS wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 9:23 am
GeekwithaGun wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:04 am This should be something our state reps need to fix. The cost of litigation for the state and county trying to prohibit carry is ridiculous.

There should be no prohibition for a licensed person in any government building or office with the only exception (possibly) being a courtroom in session. Not the hallway outside the courtroom, not the entire building where there is a courtroom, not the clerks office, but the actual room while court is in session. I would be okay with that restriction.

My preference is that the lege amend the law to allow LTC holders to carry anywhere LEO can carry.
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Russell wrote: Thu Sep 06, 2018 2:29 pm More than likely all actions against invalidly-posted government buildings are on pause until the lawsuit against Waller County makes it way through the court system.
Cool. I just put voting for state level incumbents on pause until they resolve this. The legislature pointedly refused to create an individual cause of action for the victims of government oppression.

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Vote for Cruz!

Yes, he's another political colonic polyp, (aren't they all - either party) but he's at least not a socialist/commie... though of late he seems energy lacking but will do something benefitting Conservatives...if he ever quits sulking and gets off his posterior.

No Cruz, you're not President, get over it and do some good.
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