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https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/b ... o-ukraine/

Xiden sends 3000 US airborne troops to Ukraine.
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The only thing Biden can fix is an election.
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AndyC1911 wrote: Wed Feb 02, 2022 1:14 pm The only thing Biden can fix is an election.
At least Biden has competent military leadership to guide him:
130 Retired Generals, Admirals Demand Resignations From Milley, Austin Over Afghanistan Disaster

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All three should resign. Do it to avoid nuclear armageddon... because these stooges are in way over their heads.
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i must of missed the president of ukraine requesting troops from the U.S.? if brandon is sending them uninvited then he is invading Ukraine vice russia
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Gen. Milley says Kyiv could fall within 72 hours if Russia decides to invade Ukraine: sources

https://www.foxnews.com/us/gen-milley-s ... ne-sources

Apparently not wanting to be caught off guard like in Afghanistan, we predict fall of Kiev.

Maybe we should also predict fall of Europe while we are at it.

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https://apple.news/Amprp5qmITLa6DZZaA7nLgQ

Xiden warns Americans to leave Ukraine.
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philip964 wrote: Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:18 pm https://apple.news/Amprp5qmITLa6DZZaA7nLgQ

Xiden warns Americans to leave Ukraine.
"Remember Afghanistan," President Biden said in response to a reporter's question, "and leave Ukraine now."

Less than 90 minutes later every airport and train and bus station in Ukraine was full beyond capacity with lines queued up outdoors. All major roadways outbound from Ukraine into Moldova, Romania, Hungary, Slovakia, and Poland were at a gridlocked standstill.

(I figured saying that Biden responded to a reporter's question would make it clear this was just satire...)
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Now that Covid is ending, things will get back to normal. Right?
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Here's what my almost always fallible crystal ball is telling me. But hey, I can only be right if I stick my neck out with a prediction.

The Biden administration was forced to enunciate in late January what exactly would be considered a Russian invasion of Ukraine. From the official White House Briefing Room statement https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo ... s-ukraine/:
Press Secretary Peppermint Patty wrote: President Biden has been clear with the Russian President: If any Russian military forces move across the Ukrainian border, that's a renewed invasion, and it will be met with a swift, severe, and united response from the United States and our Allies.
Emphasis mine. So the administration has drawn a bright line in the sand as to what, ultimately, they will consider to be an actionable "invasion."

Putin doesn't want an actual military engagement. He never has. He really doesn't have much to gain from that. What he wants is virtual if not literal control of Ukraine. Ukraine isn't going to be admitted into NATO any time soon, and they've had a very clear demonstration recently (as in Kabul, August 2021) what it means to be a military ally of the United States under the Biden administration.

The sending of a few thousand lightly armed and lightly armored U.S. troops into Ukraine is meaningless except as a show of some form of action on the part of Biden's White House. They couldn't stand up to any type of military incursion from Russia any better than a few troops left at the Kabul airport could prevent the Taliban from taking control of Afghanistan in a matter of hours.

What Russia is very good at--and that we, BTW, are not so much--is 21st-century hybrid warfare:

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Putin doesn't need to send any regular military forces across the border into Ukraine to get what he wants. But he does need the psychological and sociological show of heavy military force as being a clear and present danger. He's achieved that. And we know that elements of the hybrid engagement like cyber incursions, economic pressures, propaganda, and local unease and unrest already have been underway in Ukraine.

Prediction #1: Putin will get what he wants. There will be no Russian forces crossing into Ukraine, but he will end up with...conciliatory arrangements made with the Ukrainian leadership. By that I mean, more explicitly, that Putin will end up with full influence over Ukraine/Russia political and economic decisions that concern him, whether that's from the existing government ingratiating themselves to Russian will, or the replacement of key governmental officials. To the average Ukrainian the shift will be subtle and perhaps not very noticeable...except for the relief of seeing Russian heavy armor move back away from the border and the economy with Russia starting to flow more readily.

Prediction #2: The Biden administration has had the worst first-year presidency poll numbers in recent memory. What they've been setting the stage for isn't meaningful opposition to Russian aggression. There's no moral "iron spine" anywhere near the Oval Office.

No, what the behind-the-scenes handlers of this administration have seen is a crisis of which they can take full political advantage. That's really all the sending of, relatively speaking, a handful of our brave and under-equipped armed forces to Kyiv and the "powerful" messaging out of the White House--i.e., all the "will be met with a swift, severe, and united response from the United States" rhetoric--has been about.

Putin will retire from the Ukrainian border without shots fired but with having achieved most everything he really wants. And then the U.S. internal propaganda machine will kick into high gear (there may even be <gasp> a rare prime-time speech from the president) touting this huge success of the Biden presidency: See? Joe Biden--the forceful, moral, powerful leader--stood up to Vladimir Putin, the Russian Bear, and forced him to withdraw from Ukraine. Joe Biden promised protection of Ukraine and he delivered big-time. If the world ever doubted the strength and resolve of the Biden administration, let this be a lesson. Don't mess with Uncle Joe!

And a large percentage of the American people will buy that. Biden's poll numbers will spike upward and--because so many have such short attention spans--some of the political stain of the Fiasco in Afghanistan will be erased.
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Rafe wrote: Sat Feb 12, 2022 11:46 am
No, what the behind-the-scenes handlers of this administration have seen is a crisis of which they can take full political advantage. That's really all the sending of, relatively speaking, a handful of our brave and under-equipped armed forces to Kyiv and the "powerful" messaging out of the White House--i.e., all the "will be met with a swift, severe, and united response from the United States" rhetoric--has been about.

Putin will retire from the Ukrainian border without shots fired but with having achieved most everything he really wants. And then the U.S. internal propaganda machine will kick into high gear (there may even be <gasp> a rare prime-time speech from the president) touting this huge success of the Biden presidency: See? Joe Biden--the forceful, moral, powerful leader--stood up to Vladimir Putin, the Russian Bear, and forced him to withdraw from Ukraine. Joe Biden promised protection of Ukraine and he delivered big-time. If the world ever doubted the strength and resolve of the Biden administration, let this be a lesson. Don't mess with Uncle Joe!

And a large percentage of the American people will buy that. Biden's poll numbers will spike upward and--because so many have such short attention spans--some of the political stain of the Fiasco in Afghanistan will be erased.
Yes! Very good. This is EXACTLY what is unfolding. Russia has utterly NO intention of "invading Ukraine." Gawd, the whole concept is ridiculous. They are, of course, concerned about the situation in Donbass, which the Ukrainian regime has been bombing and attacking mercilessly. Some areas of Donbass look like those pictures from Syria; total devastation. Putin is no coward; he won't stand there and watch Donbass's ethnic Russians be slaughtered like sheep.

But of course, like you said, Russia will eventually leave the area, and Biden will pat himself on the back and look like a hero. What a disgusting piece of you know what.
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Published several minutes ago by CNN:

Biden warns Putin US will react 'decisively and impose swift and severe costs' if Russia invades Ukraine
https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/12/politics ... index.html
In a roughly hour-long phone call [today], the White House said Biden made clear to Putin what he would be risking with an invasion.

"President Biden was clear that, if Russia undertakes a further invasion of Ukraine, the United States together with our Allies and partners will respond decisively and impose swift and severe costs on Russia. President Biden reiterated that a further Russian invasion of Ukraine would produce widespread human suffering and diminish Russia's standing," the White House says, adding Biden "was clear with President Putin that while the United States remains prepared to engage in diplomacy, in full coordination with our Allies and partners, we are equally prepared for other scenarios...."

Ahead of the calls, the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs accused Western countries and the press of spreading a "large-scale disinformation campaign" about an allegedly impending Russian invasion of Ukraine...
Note also all the careful and specific messaging a few days ago from the White House walking back the previous implication that a Russian invasion was imminent. From last Wednesday:
Press Secretary Peppermint Patty wrote: Q: So, what happens to Americans if they do get stranded in Ukraine? Should they understand that the U.S. is not coming to get them?
A: Well, let's just take a step back here. First, we don't know that President Putin has made a decision to invade. We still don't have a new assessment on that. Right? I'm obviously not going to discuss intelligence reports...

Q: If there is — if there is an invasion?
A: There hasn't been an invasion, and we don't know that there has been a decision to invade.
A quick Google search reveals that talk of the "imminent" Russian invasion was all over the air waves and interwebs. Then likely someone decided that if the administration was promising an invasion and it didn't happen, that would lessen the political capital of the spin of Joe Biden stopping the Russians; that they had to imply the bombs were coming and make a big show of troops arriving and civilians evacuating while making certain they had CYA with Psaki able to point to transcripts and say, "No, no. We never said an invasion would happen. We said we were prepared for all contingencies."
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As you may have realized I would make a terrible President.

I would be assembling a massive invasion force in Florida right now. If Putin invades Ukraine, I would invade Cuba. 51st State.
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I keep telling people to go watch an old 90s movie called "Wag The Dog". One of the rare instances when Hollywood let the cat out of the bag.

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K.Mooneyham wrote: Sun Feb 13, 2022 5:04 pm I keep telling people to go watch an old 90s movie called "Wag The Dog". One of the rare instances when Hollywood let the cat out of the bag.
Remember Clinton bombing the formula factory. Right after Monika news broke.

Maybe Putin is doing it on purpose to help Xiden stay in office.

Here I thought Obama was the perfect opportunity for dictators to grab territory.

Gen. Miley has even given a time frame for how long it will take Russia.

Only thing they haven’t done is say it’s ok with them.

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https://en.protothema.gr/vladimir-putin ... in-forces/

Putin claims genocide against Russians in Donbas by Ukrainain forces.

Sounds like Russia needs to get in there and stop that Genocide.
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