What about Fukushima or Chernobyl

[philip964]

http://nationalreport.net/breaking-fuku ... cean-boil/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Latest release caused ocean to boil near plant. Government has recently taken over the plant as the company was not forthcoming about the extent of the problem. "Fukushima plume of death" headed first for Hawaii then gun free California.

Hot spots near one tank was 1800 mSv/hour (if you stood there for four hours you would die) They throw around these figures like we all know what they mean. You have to look it up to find out if it is dangerous.



The following is for your nerdie side:

In the old days we talked Rad and Rem. Now it is called Gray and Sv for sievert. Metrics at it again. Rad or Gray (Gy) is the Radiation Acquired Dose. See the old way made more sense already didn't it. Anyway it is how much your body absorbed vs. how much you were hit with, which is Rem and sievert/Sv. He fired six shots, one hit his heart. With radiation the bad guy keeps shooting all the time and BTW he does not miss so misses are not counted. Thus how many bullets does he fire per hour Rem/h or Sv/h becomes important. Anyway cosmic radiation that you get when your on a plane is pretty much a flesh wound. However alpha particles are always a heart wound, thus are more dangerous. Thu, calculations have to be made to convert Rem to Rad and Sv to Gray. But most of the time you can just use a factor of 1 unless your doing cancer radiation therapy.

100 Rem equal 1 Sv which equals 1000 mSv 1 Sv is bad, but you usually don't die. The highest a Fukushima worker got was .67 Sv. 5 Sv or 500 Rem is fatal. Low doses of radiation over a long period of time is less dangerous than a high dose all at once. You could get 5 Sv over a life time and you could somehow not get cancer.

The workers in the control room at Chernobyl received a fatal dose in two minutes, 300 Sv/h. They killed patients in a Moscow hospital, who were later given the same bed in the hospital. Big thing is you do not want to eat or drink contaminated food or water. That's the gift that keeps giving. The radiation source stays with you inside your body. One of the problems at Chernobyl is that the radiation levels were so high it went off everyone's radiation meter's scale. You can buy a radiation sensor that attaches to your iPhone that turns it into a radiation meter. Its like $50.

Here's a story with photos of a guy who went to Chernobyl and took a cheap meter with him. http://www.benlovejoy.com/journeys/chernobyl/radiation/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Scary

[old farmer]

[The Annoyed Man]

My reply in the comments to the main story:

Not to diminish the possible nuclear dangers, Nigel J. Covington III obviously did not put on his thinking cap. It takes an average of 5hrs:30min for a jetliner to cover the 2,551 miles from LAX to Oahu at an average speed of 464 miles/hour. There is simply no way in hell that radioactive plume will hit the California coastline a mere 90 minutes after hitting Hawaii. IF…… IF it were traveling in a straight line, it would have to be moving at 1,700.67 miles per hour to cover that distance, in that time. Preposterous…….and the total distance from Fukushima to California is roughly 5,500 miles.

But here’s the rub: the Kuroshio Current is the primary current carrying any radioactivity away from Fukushima, and it does NOT run due east directly at Hawaii and California as the picture seems to imply. It is analogous to the Gulf Stream running up the east coast of the U.S., which does NOT run due east either. Both currents travel in a east-by-northeasterly direction, flowing into the North Atlantic (Gulf Stream) and the North Pacific (Kuroshio). The speed of both the Gulf and Kuroshio Currents runs between .4 meters/second, and 1.2 meters/second. EVEN IF the Kuroshio Current flowed due east, it would take over 85 days for the tip of the plume to reach California. BUT IT DOESN’T FLOW DUE EAST!

Refer to this map: http://i38.tinypic.com/312z0wp.jpg. The plume will flow northeast into the region off of Puget Sound, where it will split off into the Alaskan Current and the California Current. The California Current (much colder water) will carry the plume south along the entire west coast until it becomes the North Equatorial Current and flows back toward Asia at approximately the same rate. Please not in the linked map (beginning of this paragraph) that Hawaii lies just outside the northern boundary of the North Equatorial Current.

Conclusions: Hawaii is not sitting in the mouth of a radioactive shotgun. However, as the plume dilutes and spreads, there will likely be long term effects on the ocean’s biomass, particularly those parts along the Alaskan and California Currents. Examples…..The California Gray Whale’s entire population migrates from the Bering Sea, down the west coast to Baja California, their breeding ground. They may well experience some heavy exposure over the course of their 12,000 mile voyage. Who knows what will happen to their calves….mutations? A die-off? Or maybe nothing at all. We just don’t know. However, we don’t eat gray whales, but we DO eat tons and tons of Salmon, and the salmon fisheries may well be so impacted as to remove salmon from the supermarket shelves, sending the price of commercially raised salmon sky-rocketing.

This radioactive plume is a significant cause for concern. But we conservatives/libertarians begin to sound like liberals/socialists when we scream out junk-science without taking the time to educate ourselves and speaking TRUTH, and leaving the hyperventilating to the so-called “loyal opposition.”

[Fangs]

Uh... guys? Really? I get a feeling this site is more like the Onion or tabloids than an actual news source. A brief glance at the other trending articles casts serious doubt on the validity of the Fukushima one.

Not saying there isn't a problem, just looks like the article might have intentionally started at a truth and then tried to run as far toward the ridiculous as possible.

[philip964]

http://phys.org/news/2013-09-fukushima- ... tepco.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This seems to be less like the Onion. One other report said 300 tons per day of water was leaking into the ocean. Hard to know what is the truth. However, the radiation taking 90 minutes to reach the West Coast seems real fast. Other reports are saying next year.



Medusa elephant's foot at Chernobyl.

[powerboatr]

let me chime in
when Chernobyl happened we just happened to be steaming in the Mediterranean sea on board the USS America CV-66.

We found out it had melted down by hearing it on armed forces radio, while in port Sicily. OH CRAP
the plume of radiation had been in the same location we had been.
we also were eating veggies and milk from a region that was also clouded over by the russian cloud
no worries young man,





that was a baby tick compared to the Japanese incident
we may not have to worry about WWIII if we screw up and attack Syria.

[Dave2]

http://phys.org/news/2013-09-fukushima- ... tepco.html

This seems to be less like the Onion. One other report said 300 tons per day of water was leaking into the ocean. Hard to know what is the truth. However, the radiation taking 90 minutes to reach the West Coast seems real fast. Other reports are saying next year.

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Medusa elephant's foot at Chernobyl.

My word... Can we bury it in Mars? That might be enough to melt the Martian core and give that planet a magnetic field again.

[The Annoyed Man]

http://phys.org/news/2013-09-fukushima- ... tepco.html

This seems to be less like the Onion. One other report said 300 tons per day of water was leaking into the ocean. Hard to know what is the truth. However, the radiation taking 90 minutes to reach the West Coast seems real fast. Other reports are saying next year.

[ Image ]

Medusa elephant's foot at Chernobyl.

My word... Can we bury it in Mars? That might be enough to melt the Martian core and give that planet a magnetic field again.

The total payload capacity for the Ares IV / Orion rocket for a manned Mars mission is 90,420 Kg, or about 99-1/2 short tons. The unmanned version, the Ares V, was designed to have a payload capacity of over 414,000 lb (188 metric tons) to Low Earth orbit (LEO), and 157,000 lb (71 metric tons) to the Moon (SOURCE). Payload to Mars would be significantly reduced to allow for the additional fuel. I have seen "Elephant's Foot" descriptions on Google of weights running from 2 metric tons to "hundreds of tons." Who knows at this point, how many decades later, what the real number is?

......not to mention, what do you do with the "Elephant's Foot" once an unmanned mission gets it all up there? Who's going to bury it?

A picture of two people who are certainly dead today (one being the photographer):

[nightmare]

Go, Go, Godzilla!

[ELB]

Call me cynical, but after watching the periodic spasms of the "environmental movement" over the last 40 years I automatically turn the bovine biological deposit sensor to 10 when any kind of "emergency" is touted, and when it involves nuclear power, I go to 11 (because that's all the farther I can turn the knob).

Here are some alternate views: http://atomicinsights.com/fear-mongerin ... -dai-ichi/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.snopes.com/photos/technology/fukushima.asp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Obamacare is likely to kill us long before anything going on in Fukushima is going to hurt us.

[philip964]

In case your worried arrives next year.

http://www.epa.gov/radnet/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And this is from Fox News!

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/11/ ... -nears-us/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Dragonfighter]

RE Elephant's Foot:

Liquid Plutonium weighs in at:
16,623 kg/m3

Solid:
19,840 kg/m3

there is a loss of density in the melting and reconstitution. So let's split the difference and say 17,500 kg/m3. It looks like it could well be a cubic meter so 8 1/2 metric tons, 19 1/4 imperial tons (38,500#)? That's a heavy rock.

[philip964]

http://www.turnerradionetwork.com/news/99-pat" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sailors aboard US aircraft carrier who provided desalinization after tsunami in Japan have come down with illnesses supposedly due to radiation in water being sucked out of ocean.

Not sure about this source.

[philip964]

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ABC NEWS West Coast Evacuation Due To Fukishima Radiation

Please no, just not here.

[jmra]

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ABC NEWS West Coast Evacuation Due To Fukishima Radiation

Please no, just not here.

Fixed it