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North Texas motorists stoped by Feds to take DNA and blood

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Post by philip964 » Tue Nov 19, 2013 5:49 pm

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/North- ... ign=Buffer" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Really unbelievable and in Texas no less.

No LEO involvement.

(the link story may have changed. I thought originally there was no LEO involvement, now it is saying off duty Fort Worth police were involved. I thought I read the local police were contacted by the reporter and they said they were not involved. It was not in Fort Worth. I may have missed it when I originally read it. )
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Post by 92f-fan » Tue Nov 19, 2013 6:21 pm

"voluntary " yeah right ...

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Post by jmra » Tue Nov 19, 2013 6:21 pm

If off duty officers ORDERED people to exit the highway to participate in a "voluntary survey", they should be fired for abuse of power. There is simply no justification for this type of behavior.
Simply can not believe any LEO on this forum could possibly defend this kind of abuse of power.
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Post by cb1000rider » Tue Nov 19, 2013 6:22 pm

"It just doesn't seem right that they should be able to do any of it," she said. "If it's voluntary, it's voluntary, and none of it felt voluntary."

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Post by Dragonfighter » Tue Nov 19, 2013 6:25 pm

jmra wrote:If off duty officers ORDERED people to exit the highway to participate in a "voluntary survey", they should be fired for abuse of power. There is simply no justification for this type of behavior.
Simply can not believe any LEO on this forum could possibly defend this kind of abuse of power.
Hadn't noticed any LEO's on this forum supporting this.
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Post by cb1000rider » Tue Nov 19, 2013 6:31 pm

It's not a LEO thing, it was setup by the Feds. LEOs are hired (off duty) to enforce things that private parties want.. Think about it the next time you see enforcement of 30.06 at your City owned facility gun show. They were asked to do a job and they were doing it... Should they know better? Maybe. I don't blame the LEOs..

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Post by jmra » Tue Nov 19, 2013 6:33 pm

Dragonfighter wrote:
jmra wrote:If off duty officers ORDERED people to exit the highway to participate in a "voluntary survey", they should be fired for abuse of power. There is simply no justification for this type of behavior.
Simply can not believe any LEO on this forum could possibly defend this kind of abuse of power.
Hadn't noticed any LEO's on this forum supporting this.
I didn't say there was. I was expressing my belief that I didn't believe any could or should, not that any had. Perhaps I should have worded my thoughts differently.
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Post by suthdj » Tue Nov 19, 2013 6:33 pm

cb1000rider wrote:It's not a LEO thing, it was setup by the Feds. LEOs are hired (off duty) to enforce things that private parties want.. Think about it the next time you see enforcement of 30.06 at your City owned facility gun show. They were asked to do a job and they were doing it... Should they know better? Maybe. I don't blame the LEOs..
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Post by jmra » Tue Nov 19, 2013 6:35 pm

cb1000rider wrote:It's not a LEO thing, it was setup by the Feds. LEOs are hired (off duty) to enforce things that private parties want.. Think about it the next time you see enforcement of 30.06 at your City owned facility gun show. They were asked to do a job and they were doing it... Should they know better? Maybe. I don't blame the LEOs..
Private parties (even if they're are using off duty police officers) do not have the right to force drivers off a public highway to conduct a voluntary survey. The officers abused their power and should be dealt with accordingly.
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Post by chasfm11 » Tue Nov 19, 2013 7:20 pm

I'm confused. In the story, the woman says "two police cars with lights flashing". Question: whose police cars? A marked cruiser with lights on does not equal "off duty" in my book. If I don't see armed, uniformed officers and cars with logos that I recognize, I'm not stopping and I'm dialing 911 immediately. They can hunt me down.

The fine print in the paperwork says that a breath alcohol test was done without consent. How can that be legal? I do understand that in the "no refusal" periods, mandatory blood draws are part of the deal but I thought there was PC for intoxicated driving involved first. In this case there was nothing but driving on Beech street.

We all need to track the source of this down. This has to stop.... now. Federal stops without cause in the middle of Ft. Worth in the middle of the day are not going anywhere good.
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Post by jmra » Tue Nov 19, 2013 7:24 pm

chasfm11 wrote:I'm confused. In the story, the woman says "two police cars with lights flashing". Question: whose police cars? A marked cruiser with lights on does not equal "off duty" in my book. If I don't see armed, uniformed officers and cars with logos that I recognize, I'm not stopping and I'm dialing 911 immediately. They can hunt me down.

The fine print in the paperwork says that a breath alcohol test was done without consent. How can that be legal? I do understand that in the "no refusal" periods, mandatory blood draws are part of the deal but I thought there was PC for intoxicated driving involved first. In this case there was nothing but driving on Beech street.

We all need to track the source of this down. This has to stop.... now. Federal stops without cause in the middle of Ft. Worth in the middle of the day are not going anywhere good.
If I read it correctly the non consensual breath alcohol test was done with passive instruments. The driver had no idea they were even being tested until after it was already done. I assume they then pressure the driver into a traditional breath test to confirm the readings of the passive instruments.
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Post by powerboatr » Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:22 pm

wow
so if you refused any test, what happens? I would have said NO and rolled up my window and said NO again as i drove off slowly with the video being captured
how can they force you to stop and give a sample?

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Post by baldeagle » Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:20 pm

I think I would implement the same plan I have if someone is following me. I would drive directly to the nearest police station, park directly in front of the door, get out and walk into the station.
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Post by SewTexas » Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:31 pm

can a LEO use his car when off duty? I know the officer who is at our church on Sunday morning is in uniform and has his car, but I've just sort of thought he's "on call"?

This whole thing is very fishy to me....someone or all someones really abused some power....badly.
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Post by SewTexas » Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:38 pm

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