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From military to LEO in 120 hrs

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Post by Rpenn57 » Wed Aug 17, 2016 10:44 am

I may be late to the party, but this is the first I've heard of this and not sure what to think about it yet.

http://www.mystatesman.com/news/news/op ... ing/nsHFy/

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Post by TexasTornado » Wed Aug 17, 2016 10:58 am

Personally I think it's great. The article over simplifies the issue tho. Just because they become a licensed peace officer in 120 hours doesn't mean they won't receive additional training and on the job training in their individual departments. I think like a lot of things, people are all too eager to make an issue of a non-issue.
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Post by parabelum » Wed Aug 17, 2016 11:03 am

"SB 162 has allowed Special Forces personnel such as Army Special Forces (Green Berets), Marine Force Recon, Air Force Pararescue or Navy SEALS to become a police officer with only three weeks of training."

I have no issue with that, if it applies to the above mentioned Special Forces individuals.

Any idea what training is required for SEAL, or Green Beret?

"Just 120 hours of training to carry a badge, a gun and the authority to stop, detain and arrest anyone they believe they should."

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Isn't that LEO's objective anyways?
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Post by bblhd672 » Wed Aug 17, 2016 11:05 am

Despite his being former military, the author seems to lack of level of knowledge about what certain special forces capabilities are - calling a SEAL "a sailor trained in parachuting and reconnaissance techniques" is like calling a M249 machine gun a target rifle.

Also suspect is why this individual is calling out the State of Texas over something that was enacted over two years ago?
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Post by Jusme » Wed Aug 17, 2016 12:27 pm

bblhd672 wrote:Despite his being former military, the author seems to lack of level of knowledge about what certain special forces capabilities are - calling a SEAL "a sailor trained in parachuting and reconnaissance techniques" is like calling a M249 machine gun a target rifle.

Also suspect is why this individual is calling out the State of Texas over something that was enacted over two years ago?

All part of the "cops are bad guys" agenda. He doesn't even have a number of military vets who have taken advantage of this policy, nor whether there have been any issues on the streets because of it. Just a typical liberal, trying to make a problem where none exists. I have a feeling , that he was denied entry into a police training course for one reason or another, or got kicked out of ranger training.
Before they can sign up, log on and be handed a badge, the agency that is hiring, will send them through a battery of psychological testing, thoroughly check their background, and have a lengthy interview process. It is not as simple as the author describes it. 120 hours of intense study, is also not a cakewalk, not to mention that they still have to pass a State test to get their Peace Officer's license.
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Post by Scott B. » Wed Aug 17, 2016 1:01 pm

"Karson, a former customs agent, is an assistant professor of criminal justice at the University of Houston-Downtown. A veteran of the Army, after active duty overseas he served as a paratrooper assigned to the 12th Special Forces Group, U.S. Army Reserve."

It would make a little more sense if the legislation was aimed at <insert your branch of service law arm here>.

I think most veterans would agree that the role of civilian peace officer is a vastly different job than any in the military, no matter how elite or special.
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Post by gregthehand » Wed Aug 17, 2016 1:12 pm

Scott B. wrote:"Karson, a former customs agent, is an assistant professor of criminal justice at the University of Houston-Downtown. A veteran of the Army, after active duty overseas he served as a paratrooper assigned to the 12th Special Forces Group, U.S. Army Reserve."

It would make a little more sense if the legislation was aimed at <insert your branch of service law arm here>.

I think most veterans would agree that the role of civilian peace officer is a vastly different job than any in the military, no matter how elite or special.
I tend to agree. If anything I'd think they would have extended this to military veterans who had served as military police (Army and USMC), shore patrol (Navy), Maritime Law Enforcement (Coast Guard), and security forces (Air Force).
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Post by mojo84 » Wed Aug 17, 2016 5:21 pm

The mission of a special forces soldier or sailor is much different than that of a civilian police officer. Different mindset and objectives involved. Just because one possesses tactical skills and training doesn't mean one is prepared and qualified to be a civilian police officer. The question is, is 120 hours of training sufficient. I'm not sure it for a regular patrol officer. Now, being assigned to a SWAT unit full time is more in line with special forces training, objective and mindset.
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Post by WTR » Wed Aug 17, 2016 6:11 pm

I know a few special ops Air force folks and one Seal. I would not consider any of them a good candidate for civilian LE.

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Post by AF-Odin » Wed Aug 17, 2016 6:21 pm

Tend to agree with mojo84 and WTR, Know quite a few from AF and Army Special Ops (something about having almost 30 years active duty and then another 15 years training active as well as reserve folks). Great folks, highly trained for specialized operations (MOST) have great weapons skills, but believe that there is a whole lot more to civilian police work than just great weapon skills. Believe that the SOF folks would make great trainers for LE on weapons. One of the areas I work is virtual weapon engagement systems and we have had a number of LE use our systems.
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Re: From military to LEO in 120 hrs

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Post by OlBill » Wed Aug 17, 2016 6:56 pm

mojo84 wrote:The mission of a special forces soldier or sailor is much different than that of a civilian police officer. Different mindset and objectives involved. Just because one possesses tactical skills and training doesn't mean one is prepared and qualified to be a civilian police officer. The question is, is 120 hours of training sufficient. I'm not sure it for a regular patrol officer. Now, being assigned to a SWAT unit full time is more in line with special forces training, objective and mindset.
I couldn't not agree more. I was a Special Forces soldier (a green beret is a hat, Girl Scouts wear one too. It doesn't keep the sun out of your eyes, it doesn't keep your head from getting wet and it smells like a goat when wet.)

My brother was LEO for years and I rode with him some. No thank you.

I agree with the MP idea if anything.

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Post by Javier730 » Wed Aug 17, 2016 7:13 pm

mojo84 wrote:The mission of a special forces soldier or sailor is much different than that of a civilian police officer. Different mindset and objectives involved. Just because one possesses tactical skills and training doesn't mean one is prepared and qualified to be a civilian police officer. The question is, is 120 hours of training sufficient. I'm not sure it for a regular patrol officer. Now, being assigned to a SWAT unit full time is more in line with special forces training, objective and mindset.
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Post by Pawpaw » Wed Aug 17, 2016 9:48 pm

TexasTornado wrote:Personally I think it's great. The article over simplifies the issue tho. Just because they become a licensed peace officer in 120 hours doesn't mean they won't receive additional training and on the job training in their individual departments. I think like a lot of things, people are all too eager to make an issue of a non-issue.
It also doesn't mean they WILL receive that additional training.

Many, if not most, departments have far too small training budgets.
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Re: From military to LEO in 120 hrs

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Post by TexasTornado » Thu Aug 18, 2016 5:04 am

Pawpaw wrote:
TexasTornado wrote:Personally I think it's great. The article over simplifies the issue tho. Just because they become a licensed peace officer in 120 hours doesn't mean they won't receive additional training and on the job training in their individual departments. I think like a lot of things, people are all too eager to make an issue of a non-issue.
It also doesn't mean they WILL receive that additional training.

Many, if not most, departments have far too small training budgets.
Even in my small podunk town I've never seen them just let a rookie go on his/her own. They're always teamed up with someone for "on the job training."
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