Today in Trump's new term as President

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Re: Today in Trump's new term as President

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Post by Bitter Clinger » Mon Jun 04, 2018 1:37 pm

philbo wrote:
Mon Jun 04, 2018 1:29 pm
Bitter Clinger wrote:
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The fact that the point is lost on you is exactly the point. :tiphat:
I'm sorry, I conduct discussions using logic and reason. If you were communicating in something else, or merely meant to change the subject because you you were unable to utilize either logic or reason in support of a position, then you need to work on an effective form of rhetoric beyond cartoons.
You and Dale bash Trump every single posting. You simply cannot claim logic and reason when you exhibit such baseless hatred. The cartoon illustrates your hypocrisy.
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Re: Today in Trump's new term as President

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Post by bbhack » Mon Jun 04, 2018 1:41 pm

Bitter Clinger wrote:
Mon Jun 04, 2018 1:37 pm
philbo wrote:
Mon Jun 04, 2018 1:29 pm
Bitter Clinger wrote:
Mon Jun 04, 2018 12:29 pm
The fact that the point is lost on you is exactly the point. :tiphat:
I'm sorry, I conduct discussions using logic and reason. If you were communicating in something else, or merely meant to change the subject because you you were unable to utilize either logic or reason in support of a position, then you need to work on an effective form of rhetoric beyond cartoons.
You and Dale bash Trump every single posting. You simply cannot claim logic and reason when you exhibit such baseless hatred. The cartoon illustrates your hypocrisy.
I may regret getting in the middle here, but the point was so crystal clear and humorous that it defies belief that it was not understood.
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Re: Today in Trump's new term as President

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Post by dale blanker » Mon Jun 04, 2018 2:09 pm

bbhack wrote:
Mon Jun 04, 2018 1:41 pm
Bitter Clinger wrote:
Mon Jun 04, 2018 1:37 pm
philbo wrote:
Mon Jun 04, 2018 1:29 pm
Bitter Clinger wrote:
Mon Jun 04, 2018 12:29 pm
The fact that the point is lost on you is exactly the point. :tiphat:
I'm sorry, I conduct discussions using logic and reason. If you were communicating in something else, or merely meant to change the subject because you you were unable to utilize either logic or reason in support of a position, then you need to work on an effective form of rhetoric beyond cartoons.
You and Dale bash Trump every single posting. You simply cannot claim logic and reason when you exhibit such baseless hatred. The cartoon illustrates your hypocrisy.
I may regret getting in the middle here, but the point was so crystal clear and humorous that it defies belief that it was not understood.
This is so obviously a lie it really isn't worth quoting but it is another example of personal attacks when nothing else is available.
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Re: Today in Trump's new term as President

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Post by bbhack » Mon Jun 04, 2018 2:23 pm

dale blanker wrote:
Mon Jun 04, 2018 2:09 pm
This is so obviously a lie it really isn't worth quoting but it is another example of personal attacks when nothing else is available.
Pointing out that someone is pretending to not follow (tactically obtuse) is neither a lie nor a personal attack. Addressing a tactic is not a personal attack.
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Re: Today in Trump's new term as President

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Post by philbo » Mon Jun 04, 2018 2:39 pm

Bitter Clinger wrote:
Mon Jun 04, 2018 1:37 pm
You and Dale bash Trump every single posting. You simply cannot claim logic and reason when you exhibit such baseless hatred. The cartoon illustrates your hypocrisy.
I see. I post a statement made by trump today, one I feel is foolish, ignorant of the law, and would set a precedent that should not be tolerated by any individual interested in upholding the constitution. Your reply was to make a personal attack and change the subject, rather than make an attempt that explains trumps fallacious statement. Now somehow I'm the one bashing trump for simply repeating his own words? That's not hypocrisy, no matter how you slice it. Condemning clinton or obama for something and then remaining silent when trump plays the same game... that would be hypocrisy. Failing to call out the ridiculous when you hear it... that's hypocrisy combined with self-delusion.

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Re: Today in Trump's new term as President

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Post by Bitter Clinger » Mon Jun 04, 2018 3:48 pm

philbo wrote:
Mon Jun 04, 2018 2:39 pm
Bitter Clinger wrote:
Mon Jun 04, 2018 1:37 pm
You and Dale bash Trump every single posting. You simply cannot claim logic and reason when you exhibit such baseless hatred. The cartoon illustrates your hypocrisy.
I see. I post a statement made by trump today, one I feel is foolish, ignorant of the law, and would set a precedent that should not be tolerated by any individual interested in upholding the constitution. Your reply was to make a personal attack and change the subject, rather than make an attempt that explains trumps fallacious statement. Now somehow I'm the one bashing trump for simply repeating his own words? That's not hypocrisy, no matter how you slice it. Condemning clinton or obama for something and then remaining silent when trump plays the same game... that would be hypocrisy. Failing to call out the ridiculous when you hear it... that's hypocrisy combined with self-delusion.
The Constitution gives the president clemency powers “to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.” By bestowing a pardon on someone who committed a federal crime, the president nullifies the legal consequences of that crime. So, the majority view is that a president can pardon himself (assuming he does so prior to impeachment). Art. II Sec. 2 of the Constitution states, in part, that the president shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

Your posts, along with those of your fellow traveler, are universally and consistently biased against the current President. Man up and admit it, instead of hiding behind that faux wall of self righteous virtue. Its concealment, but its not cover. You are fooling no one but yourself. :nono:
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Re: Today in Trump's new term as President

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Post by philbo » Mon Jun 04, 2018 4:23 pm

Bitter Clinger wrote:
Mon Jun 04, 2018 3:48 pm
The Constitution gives the president clemency powers “to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.” By bestowing a pardon on someone who committed a federal crime, the president nullifies the legal consequences of that crime. So, the majority view is that a president can pardon himself (assuming he does so prior to impeachment). Art. II Sec. 2 of the Constitution states, in part, that the president shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.
Hardly the majority view except perhaps in the white house, but I applaud your more reasoned discourse.

It's true that the possibility of a President pardoning himself for a crime is not precluded by the explicit language of the Constitution, and, during the summer of 1974, some of President Richard M. Nixon's lawyers argued that it was constitutionally permissible. But a broader reading of the Constitution and the general principles of the traditions of United States law might lead to the conclusion that a self-pardon is constitutionally impermissible. It would seem to violate the principles that a man should not be a judge in his own case; that the rule of law is supreme and the United States is a nation of laws, not men; and that the President is not above the law. An otherwise legal act done for improper/corrupt reasons, is the very definition of an impeachment charge.
Bitter Clinger wrote:
Mon Jun 04, 2018 3:48 pm
Your posts, along with those of your fellow traveler, are universally and consistently biased against the current President. Man up and admit it, instead of hiding behind that faux wall of self righteous virtue. Its concealment, but its not cover. You are fooling no one but yourself. :nono:
I have never hid my dislike for trump. Never will. The man seems ignorant of the Constitution and attempts at every turn to dismantle and mock our system of checks and balances. To turn a deaf ear to news you don't want to hear, and treat everyone who disagrees with your world view as an enemy, is something I have always disliked about most democrats... but you seem to proof that anyone can don that suit of clothing and wear it well. :tiphat:

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Re: Today in Trump's new term as President

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Post by bbhack » Mon Jun 04, 2018 4:36 pm

If the House and the Senate wish to impeach and convict a sitting president, there is nothing he can do about it. Any talk of "self-pardon" is complete nonsense. A president cannot be charged by any other means while in office. If things went off the rails, and he did get charged by a rogue grand jury during his tenure, he could pardon himself - because the charging would be unconstitutional, and because he can pardon anyone he wants of criminal conviction.

Clear?

He may want to be careful while in office, because he won't be president forever. We are going to see Obama charged with something.
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Re: Today in Trump's new term as President

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Post by dale blanker » Mon Jun 04, 2018 4:47 pm

This discussion about presidential indictments and pardons is all very academic. It's an interesting discussion but why is it even happening? There's no evidence of collusion with a foreign government or obstruction of justice and Mueller should stop with the implications. Oh wait, it's not Mueller...
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Re: Today in Trump's new term as President

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Post by jason812 » Mon Jun 04, 2018 4:50 pm

Exactly what crime did the president commit that would warrant him to grant himself a pardon?

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Post by bbhack » Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:34 pm

jason812 wrote:
Mon Jun 04, 2018 4:50 pm
Exactly what crime did the president commit that would warrant him to grant himself a pardon?
Lying to the FBI? :lol: Lying to the special council? :lol:
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Re: Today in Trump's new term as President

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Post by jason812 » Mon Jun 04, 2018 10:50 pm

bbhack wrote:
Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:34 pm
jason812 wrote:
Mon Jun 04, 2018 4:50 pm
Exactly what crime did the president commit that would warrant him to grant himself a pardon?
Lying to the FBI? :lol: Lying to the special council? :lol:
Which is why he shouldn't testify. They'll ask him a question about something he said 12 months ago, he won't quite remember and then the goons will say he lied.

Special council is suppose to be appointed by someone higher than the deputy AG. Also, he is suppose to have specific statutes and areas to investigate, not an all encompassing witch hunt. Mueller's appointment as a special council is unconstitutional and any indictment should be thrown out.


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Re: Today in Trump's new term as President

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Post by philip964 » Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:00 am

https://nypost.com/2018/06/05/trump-tau ... use-visit/

Trump cancels Philadelphia Eagles White House visit. Apparently only 7 were going to show up.

Tweeted about locker room sitting out National Anthem. Going to have a band play the National Anthem instead.

Apparently Eagles one of few teams that did not have a player take a knee.

I’m still going to continue NFL boycott.

Big made up controversy on whether Trump can pardon himself. Trump continues to dominate the news cycle.

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Re: Today in Trump's new term as President

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Post by bblhd672 » Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:30 am

President Donald Trump has many weaknesses and faults, as do I as a member of the fallen human race. President Trump consistently, in my opinion, plays and beats the left every day by being himself and not a man whose life has been as a typical swamp politician.
I get you constant critics, President Trump doesn’t meet your high standards of decorum and doesn’t play by the political rules you’ve gotten accustomed to seeing from those who aren’t progressive socialists. So, go ahead and bash him daily if it makes you feel good about yourself and those who agree with you. I understand that you would rather be discussing the daily news about President Hillary Clinton.

For me, I’m seeing it like the writer of this linked article.
http://www.bookwormroom.com/2018/06/01/ ... py-ending/

Y’all have a nice day and enjoy your movie version.

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Re: Today in Trump's new term as President

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Post by oljames3 » Tue Jun 05, 2018 12:36 pm

bblhd672 wrote:
Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:30 am
President Donald Trump has many weaknesses and faults, as do I as a member of the fallen human race. President Trump consistently, in my opinion, plays and beats the left every day by being himself and not a man whose life has been as a typical swamp politician.
I get you constant critics, President Trump doesn’t meet your high standards of decorum and doesn’t play by the political rules you’ve gotten accustomed to seeing from those who aren’t progressive socialists. So, go ahead and bash him daily if it makes you feel good about yourself and those who agree with you. I understand that you would rather be discussing the daily news about President Hillary Clinton.

For me, I’m seeing it like the writer of this linked article.
http://www.bookwormroom.com/2018/06/01/ ... py-ending/

Y’all have a nice day and enjoy your movie version.
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