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US Military Veterans: tattered US flag etiquette question.

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Post by surprise_i'm_armed » Sun May 20, 2018 3:58 pm

I appreciate those who fly the American flag, but occasionally I have spoken to
customers who are flying tattered flags, letting them know that it disrespects the flag, and they should
retire it and get a new one.

Well, one of these customers called my boss and told him about our conversation.
They told him that the reason their US flag was tattered was because it had been flown in a war
zone, and had sentimental value for that reason.

My boss suggested that they retire the flag from outdoor duty and display it inside in a shadow box,
or some such.

"Why don't you guys just mind your own business about our flag?" End of complaint call.

The reason that I aim this question to US military veterans is because they have probably had more
flag etiquette education than most folks, and they may have additional perspective on the fact the
the above-mentioned flag was flown in a war zone.

Well, IMHO, if you are flying a flag outside your home, passersby will not know it was flown in a war
zone and has sentimental value that way.....all they will see is a US flag flown in a disrespectful condition.

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Post by bblhd672 » Sun May 20, 2018 5:28 pm

It irritates me when I see tattered flags flying in front of businesses and residences. I believe it is disrespectful.

If it was flown in a war zone and is sentimental, then so be it. This veteran won't do anything about it, but there are some who may decide to remove it themselves.


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Post by TreyHouston » Sun May 20, 2018 5:32 pm

Well, IMHO, I wouldn't be allowed to wear a torn uniform in the service, even if it was worn during war. I could wear it around town but I would have to remove the ARMY tag as it would represent disrespect tords the military.

That flag is cool! But I don't think it should be on a flag poll. It belongs hung up on a wall.
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Post by lonestar144 » Sun May 20, 2018 6:13 pm

Those who served or not, if they really respect our Country and Flag, then they should publicly display it respectfully. If the flag is slightly torn on the edges and corners, this could be acceptable, but over 15% worn, it needs to be replaced. I fly three flags here, the US flag, Texas State flag and a Confederate Battle flag, all are replaced on a regular schedule, whether they need it or not. Retired US flags are donated or put in shadow boxes and gifted to war vets. I have one particular flag, one of a set of 4, that will be laid on my casket when I pass. The other 3 have already been used, on my father, uncle and grandfather's caskets, which all served in the military.
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Post by oljames3 » Sun May 20, 2018 6:46 pm

4 USC, Chapter 1, Section 8
(k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning.
https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-20 ... -chap1.htm


US Army Regulation 840-10, Chapter 1-7
h. Unserviceable flags. Unserviceable flags will not be used for banners or any other purpose. When a flag is no longer suitable for display, it will not be cast aside or used in any way that may be viewed as disrespectful. If not preserved as specified in chapters 2, 5, 6, and 10, it will be destroyed privately, preferably by burning, shredding, or by some other method that does not show irreverence or disrespect to the flag.
https://www.heraldry.army.mil/heraldryh ... Plates.pdf
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Post by TreyHouston » Sun May 20, 2018 7:08 pm

oljames3 wrote:4 USC, Chapter 1, Section 8
(k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning.
https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-20 ... -chap1.htm


US Army Regulation 840-10, Chapter 1-7
h. Unserviceable flags. Unserviceable flags will not be used for banners or any other purpose. When a flag is no longer suitable for display, it will not be cast aside or used in any way that may be viewed as disrespectful. If not preserved as specified in chapters 2, 5, 6, and 10, it will be destroyed privately, preferably by burning, shredding, or by some other method that does not show irreverence or disrespect to the flag.
https://www.heraldry.army.mil/heraldryh ... Plates.pdf

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I like getting old ones from people and places and giving them to the VFW or AMERICAN LEGION. They perform a service as needed and destroy them properly. Plus, it gives the members something to do; I respectfully say that.
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Post by C-dub » Sun May 20, 2018 7:45 pm

Having the flag and displaying it indoors is very nice.

Flying the flag is not! It will only become more tattered and that is very disrespectful.
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Post by oohrah » Mon May 21, 2018 10:20 am

If it's personal and private property, I'd go with the MYOB. Public/military institutions should certainly follow flag etiquette.

Personally, I fly a cheapie on my flagpole and replace it when worn. My flags that flew over the U.S. Capitol and my former command when I retired, are kept inside.
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Post by Soccerdad1995 » Mon May 21, 2018 10:44 am

It all depends on the exact situation. I would go with MYOB if this is privately owned property and you are a vendor of theirs, especially if you are not the owner of your company. You are a representative of your company, so I would be sure that I understood how the company owner wanted me to proceed before bringing this up with the business.

On the other hand, as an individual customer at a retail location, restaurant, etc., I would definitely let that business know of my displeasure with their improper display. If this was a neighbor, I might try to strike up a conversation with them and invite them over for dinner. One of many topics could then be the proper display of the U.S. flag.

Unfortunately, we ultimately cannot control what others do on their private property. Just be glad that they aren't trying to dictate what color underwear you can wear when you visit, or similar ridiculous, overbearing, things like whether you have a CCW.
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