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The big incidents have nothing to do with this threat vector. The little incidents, yeah some kid brought a gun in. The little incidents are the target here, and the boards and administrators are pretending they are doing something about the big incidents by addressing the little incidents. They are fools, and they should not be in their positions of power if this is how they think.
Well, aren't you special.gtolbert09 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 1:53 pm My daughter's backpack barely weighs 5lbs. The school district issues all the kids in middle school and high school an iPad. They rarely have books to carry round. Her High school also has 3 armed Resource Officers on campus during school hours. Lewisville ISD just announced that all campuses will have full time RSO's on campuses all day.
Glad your school seems to have their stuff together. However, I have to agree with the rest of the responses in that if we want to protect our schools in a realistic manner it will require metal detectors and locked entrances to every building. Not to mention RSO's and armed school marshals (i.e. teachers)....Metal detectors are just as big a charade. 7 years ago I worked at a school that had metal detectors and a clear back pack rule.
Bruin98 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:22 pmMetal detectors are just as big a charade. 7 years ago I worked at a school that had metal detectors and a clear back pack rule.
Fourth period rolled around one day and the kids were taking a test. A student approached me and said so and so has a knife. I told him to go sit down. A few minutes later another kid from the same area came up and said so and so has a knife. So and so not being a typical trouble maker, I told him to go sit down. A few minutes later another kid from the same area came up and said so and so has a knife.
I said fine give me the backpack. I searched it. Found nothing.
A few minutes later another kid came up and said, "it's in his pen."
Huh?"
"Take his pen."
So I took his pen. An off brand CROSS style pen.
"There's no knife here."
"Unscrew it."
Sure enough--there was a 2-3 inch blade where the ink cartridge was supposed to be.
Clear backpack. Metal detector. Knife still found its way into my classroom.
Court houses and airports have limited access points... The high school my son attended has multiple entrances, at least 12 that I can think of off the top of my head and I bet I am missing a few, and that is the main building only... doesn't include the tech building or the field house. Some high schools in our area have much larger campuses that look more like junior colleges than high schools. Metal detectors just aren't very practical when trying to move 2200+ (number of students in a 6A school) through in the morning. Plus you would have to do it again during each lunch period since students can leave campus.Allons wrote: ↑Wed Jun 06, 2018 4:44 am
I could see how a knife inside a pen could make to your classroom. All that has to happen is for someone not opening that pen and checking it. If metal detectors are a charade, why are they still being used at every courthouse and airport in America? What school with metal detectors have had a school shooting? What do you suggest we do, Arm Teachers? I have no problem with that, however, you're still putting more lives at risk because no one is checking for guns coming in.
This!
The signs were recognized with the Parkland shooting and nothing was done. That could have been prevented but it was not. I don't consider me going thru a metal detector as being treated like threat or a criminal, sorry I just don't, but I do respect your opinion.mojo84 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:55 am I find it somewhat curious how some are so ardent in their advocacy of the 1st and 2nd Amendments but seem to not be so concerned about the 4th.
Searches and metal detectors are just more bandaids that may make some people feel safer while not addressing the root of the problems which are evil intentions, lack of parenting, untreated or insufficiently treated severe mental illness, devaluation of life, and misfits that want to make a name for themselves by getting back at society.
The answer is to recognize these root problems in individuals and address them prior to them going off the rails and causing a tragedy rather than treating everyone like a threat or criminal.
Teachers receive no training on metal detectors. Every other metal detector I've walked through (outside a few sports stadiums) has a trained person working the detector (TSA, police, private security, etc).Allons wrote: ↑Wed Jun 06, 2018 4:44 amBruin98 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:22 pmMetal detectors are just as big a charade. 7 years ago I worked at a school that had metal detectors and a clear back pack rule.
Fourth period rolled around one day and the kids were taking a test. A student approached me and said so and so has a knife. I told him to go sit down. A few minutes later another kid from the same area came up and said so and so has a knife. So and so not being a typical trouble maker, I told him to go sit down. A few minutes later another kid from the same area came up and said so and so has a knife.
I said fine give me the backpack. I searched it. Found nothing.
A few minutes later another kid came up and said, "it's in his pen."
Huh?"
"Take his pen."
So I took his pen. An off brand CROSS style pen.
"There's no knife here."
"Unscrew it."
Sure enough--there was a 2-3 inch blade where the ink cartridge was supposed to be.
Clear backpack. Metal detector. Knife still found its way into my classroom.
I could see how a knife inside a pen could make to your classroom. All that has to happen is for someone not opening that pen and checking it. If metal detectors are a charade, why are they still being used at every courthouse and airport in America? What school with metal detectors have had a school shooting? What do you suggest we do, Arm Teachers? I have no problem with that, however, you're still putting more lives at risk because no one is checking for guns coming in.
