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Reporting Multiple Sales

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Post by BBYC » Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:55 pm

I know FFL are required to report multiple handgun sales.

I know FFL are required to report multiple semi-auto rifle sales in some states with large Hispanic population.

Are FFL required to report multiple stripped receiver sales?
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Post by The Annoyed Man » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:08 pm

BBYC wrote:
Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:55 pm
I know FFL are required to report multiple handgun sales.

I know FFL are required to report multiple semi-auto rifle sales in some states with large Hispanic population.

Are FFL required to report multiple stripped receiver sales?
A stripped lower receiver IS a serial# bearing firearm for purposes of FFL records. Hence the market for 80% receivers.
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Post by Liberty » Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:41 pm

The Annoyed Man wrote:
Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:08 pm
BBYC wrote:
Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:55 pm
I know FFL are required to report multiple handgun sales.

I know FFL are required to report multiple semi-auto rifle sales in some states with large Hispanic population.

Are FFL required to report multiple stripped receiver sales?
A stripped lower receiver IS a serial# bearing firearm for purposes of FFL records. Hence the market for 80% receivers.
Don't you need access to a machine shop to finish an 80% lower? Is It legal to have someone do it for you?
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Re: Reporting Multiple Sales

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Post by puma guy » Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:11 pm

The Annoyed Man wrote:
Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:08 pm
BBYC wrote:
Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:55 pm
I know FFL are required to report multiple handgun sales.

I know FFL are required to report multiple semi-auto rifle sales in some states with large Hispanic population.

Are FFL required to report multiple stripped receiver sales?
A stripped lower receiver IS a serial# bearing firearm for purposes of FFL records. Hence the market for 80% receivers.
The Obama era rule required reporting multiple sales (two or more)of certain long gun sales in Arizona, California, New Mexico and Texas. The types of rifles that must be reported are those with the following characteristics: semiautomatic, a caliber greater than .22 (including .223 or 5.56 mm), and the ability to accept detachable magazines. Of course Eric Holder and the Obama Administration ignored this rule for fast and Furious sales. Our present Republican Administration extended this rule for three years in January of this year! I am on the list.

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Re: Reporting Multiple Sales

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Post by bbhack » Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:27 pm

Liberty wrote:
Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:41 pm

Don't you need access to a machine shop to finish an 80% lower? Is It legal to have someone do it for you?
Jigs are available to complete an 80% using a drill press - no mill required. I would not have someone else do it for you. Also, metal finishing may be considered "completing" - so you can't leave it at the metal finishers - you may have to babysit the part while the process is done. DIY metal finishing is also an option. I have done that, but never with super results.
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Post by 03Lightningrocks » Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:21 pm

I sure wish I could afford to buy multiple guns all at once. :biggrinjester:
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Post by Wolverine » Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:26 pm

03Lightningrocks wrote:
Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:21 pm
I sure wish I could afford to buy multiple guns all at once. :biggrinjester:
Somebody was selling $30 lowers a while back.
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Post by puma guy » Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:00 pm

Wolverine wrote:
Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:26 pm
03Lightningrocks wrote:
Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:21 pm
I sure wish I could afford to buy multiple guns all at once. :biggrinjester:
Somebody was selling $30 lowers a while back.
:thumbs2: Primary Arms in Houston had stripped Anderson lowers for $29.99!
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Post by The Annoyed Man » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:12 pm

Liberty wrote:
Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:41 pm
The Annoyed Man wrote:
Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:08 pm
BBYC wrote:
Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:55 pm
I know FFL are required to report multiple handgun sales.

I know FFL are required to report multiple semi-auto rifle sales in some states with large Hispanic population.

Are FFL required to report multiple stripped receiver sales?
A stripped lower receiver IS a serial# bearing firearm for purposes of FFL records. Hence the market for 80% receivers.
Don't you need access to a machine shop to finish an 80% lower? Is It legal to have someone do it for you?
No, you just need a jig and a drill press. I have both of those items, but I haven’t actually done one yet. I bought this jig from Juggernaut Tactical, which will do both AR15 and AR10 lowers: https://jtactical.com/products/47
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It comes with all the tooling you need. The downside..... it seems that the sellers of 80% lowers frequently charge a premium, even though it costs them less to make it, simply because they understand that lack of an ATF record has a value in itself. For instance, their basic model costs $69.00, and their billet models cost $130.00. When you figure in the $189 for the jig/tooling, plus the cost of the lower, even a forged lower runs into some money for a single unit. Unless you were willing to pay ANYthing for an unserialized lower, it’s just not cost effective until you can amortize the cost of the jig over a number of lowers. I didn’t buy mine to save money. I bought mine for the day when you can’t buy these things anymore. My son is a qualified machinist, and our next big purchases will be to pick up a lathe and a mill for our workshop. Then we can do whatever we want, as long as we can obtain a billet of aluminum.........again, NOT to become a manufacturer for commercial purposes, but to become independent of federal gun laws.
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Post by ScottDLS » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:40 pm

The Annoyed Man wrote:
Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:12 pm
Liberty wrote:
Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:41 pm
The Annoyed Man wrote:
Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:08 pm
BBYC wrote:
Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:55 pm
I know FFL are required to report multiple handgun sales.

I know FFL are required to report multiple semi-auto rifle sales in some states with large Hispanic population.

Are FFL required to report multiple stripped receiver sales?
A stripped lower receiver IS a serial# bearing firearm for purposes of FFL records. Hence the market for 80% receivers.

Don't you need access to a machine shop to finish an 80% lower? Is It legal to have someone do it for you?
No, you just need a jig and a drill press. I have both of those items, but I haven’t actually done one yet. I bought this jig from Juggernaut Tactical, which will do both AR15 and AR10 lowers: https://jtactical.com/products/47
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It comes with all the tooling you need. The downside..... it seems that the sellers of 80% lowers frequently charge a premium, even though it costs them less to make it, simply because they understand that lack of an ATF record has a value in itself. For instance, their basic model costs $69.00, and their billet models cost $130.00. When you figure in the $189 for the jig/tooling, plus the cost of the lower, even a forged lower runs into some money for a single unit. Unless you were willing to pay ANYthing for an unserialized lower, it’s just not cost effective until you can amortize the cost of the jig over a number of lowers. I didn’t buy mine to save money. I bought mine for the day when you can’t buy these things anymore. My son is a qualified machinist, and our next big purchases will be to pick up a lathe and a mill for our workshop. Then we can do whatever we want, as long as we can obtain a billet of aluminum.........again, NOT to become a manufacturer for commercial purposes, but to become independent of federal gun laws.
Now TAM, what you and your son could do is start yourself a nice type 07/02 FFL (manufacturing) business. Pay a little $3,000 ITAR registration fee and begin cranking out NIB post sample machine guns for sale to the government or for export (with appropriate export licenses). Of course you’d need to make 2-3 of all the popular models of M4, MP7, M249, and maybe a Thompson copy or 2 as demos. Then invite me over to test them out, and maybe make a few title 1 semi auto rifles to pay the light bill. :evil2:
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Post by jsenner » Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:08 pm

BBYC wrote:
Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:55 pm
Are FFL required to report multiple stripped receiver sales?
To answer the question a bit more directly, no, FFLs do not report multiple sales of receivers.


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Post by mrvmax » Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:33 am

jsenner wrote:
Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:08 pm
BBYC wrote:
Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:55 pm
Are FFL required to report multiple stripped receiver sales?
To answer the question a bit more directly, no, FFLs do not report multiple sales of receivers.
Correct, a receiver is not a firearm so it doesn’t fall under the multiple rifle sales reporting requirements.

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Post by Liberty » Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:11 am

How many is a multiple?
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Post by Scott B. » Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:43 am

A multiple is more than 1. :mrgreen:

And oddly, for rifles, that rule only applies to type 1 ffls. Type 7s it's 'voluntary'.
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Post by 03Lightningrocks » Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:09 am

Now I am a bit confused. Mostly because I don't know the difference in the types mentioned. I purchase two AR16 rifles and it is reported or not reported?
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