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Post by powerboatr » Wed Aug 08, 2018 3:48 pm

We live in a gated community and the local sheriff has his hands tied as not legally being able to be on the property and effect good old fashioned investigating of our 5 drug dealers/makers. We have provided detailed routes, video, days of deliveries, tag numbers, addresses outside our community they deliver to regulatory, everything except package weight
we have tried all kinds of work around, he will send deputies for domestic violence and arrest folks (which have been the drug dealers) .
so i have been searching for a state statute that prevents his ability to help us. We want to petition the state legislators to fix or amend the rule so we can have our tax dollars we pay for police protection to actually provide this.

any help would be most appreciated.
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Post by Bitter Clinger » Wed Aug 08, 2018 3:56 pm

powerboatr wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 3:48 pm
We live in a gated community and the local sheriff has his hands tied as not legally being able to be on the property and effect good old fashioned investigating of our 5 drug dealers/makers. We have provided detailed routes, video, days of deliveries, tag numbers, addresses outside our community they deliver to regulatory, everything except package weight
we have tried all kinds of work around, he will send deputies for domestic violence and arrest folks (which have been the drug dealers) .
so i have been searching for a state statute that prevents his ability to help us. We want to petition the state legislators to fix or amend the rule so we can have our tax dollars we pay for police protection to actually provide this.

any help would be most appreciated.
Not aware of any such law. Police are allowed into our gated community without exception. Have you considered hiring the Sheriff to patrol when off-duty?
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Post by Vol Texan » Wed Aug 08, 2018 3:58 pm

Some good discussion on this is found here: viewtopic.php?f=83&t=90675
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Post by flechero » Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:10 pm

With all that info, they should be able to wait outside the gate and pick them up on schedule.

Leo's seem to have no trouble getting warrants to go inside homes... I can't imagine a HOA has any more power.


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Post by powerboatr » Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:18 pm

we ran into complete road blocks with county .
things have changed since my first post about it. but we still have the drugs coming and going. they are so brazen they stop in the street and hand drugs through to the other car..we have video ...
and the main delivery car was broke down for days alongside the state highway..i called it in, along with others in our group...no police ever came out to look at it

we feel a crime is a crime...understand they can flash in for imminent danger of a person. But isnt making meth an imminent danger?
this is why now we are looking to be a pain to our two state reps. Our sheriff now acts like he wants to help..but cant.
every-time we ask the actual statute i get the crazy looks, like we are not supposed to know..
best news was monday the dealer got in a fight with his spouse and they beat each other pretty bad, so they were arrested and carted off.
still trying to figure out who called 911. it would have been better if they had just killed each other.
in 2006 when we moved here, the deputies were out here all the time enforcing laws..its very irritating to say the least
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Post by Keith B » Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:19 pm

I would assume the streets have been turned over to the city/county for maintenance. If so, then the neighborhood is not private property. Even if not, you, as a homeowner in the development have the right to give them permission to enter the neighborhood. Sounds like the Sheriff is just looking for an excuse to not follow-up on the issues.
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Post by rotor » Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:50 pm

I at one time owned a house in a gated community and until your post I did not know that the police might not respond to calls. There is a site of a private attorney that seems to specialize in this..
http://www.jgradyrandlepc.com/local-gov ... cal-guide/
Perhaps a consultation would be worthwhile.

There must be a solution here otherwise every drug ring in Texas would be based in gated communities. It would seem that LEO can enter the property with a search warrant as they can enter a private home with one. Sounds like the old west and you need to hire a marshal.

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Post by bblhd672 » Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:52 pm

Devil’s advocate asks if perhaps the sheriff is on the drug dealers’ payroll?

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Post by Bitter Clinger » Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:23 pm

bblhd672 wrote:
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Devil’s advocate asks if perhaps the sheriff is on the drug dealers’ payroll?
I had had the same thought. Time to call in DPS or the Rangers.
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Post by TreyHouston » Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:37 pm

Keith B wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:19 pm
I would assume the streets have been turned over to the city/county for maintenance. If so, then the neighborhood is not private property. Even if not, you, as a homeowner in the development have the right to give them permission to enter the neighborhood. Sounds like the Sheriff is just looking for an excuse to not follow-up on the issues.
I live in a small neighborhood and we almost gated it off. If we did that, the neighborhood would be responsible for sewer, lights and road maintenance. This is in Houston though, I don’t know if it different city by city.

In a side note, I checked out Beto’s website to check out his stance on issues. He is calling for an end of the “war on drugs”. Perhaps your LEO is a Beto fan? :evil2:
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Post by mojo84 » Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:45 pm

Who maintains the roads? Maybe they need more evidence in order to make an arrest such as proof of what is in the packages or pictures of their manufacturing setup. Coming and going isn't illegal. They could be working on getting an undercover to make a buy.

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Post by Bitter Clinger » Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:07 pm

TreyHouston wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:37 pm
Keith B wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:19 pm
I would assume the streets have been turned over to the city/county for maintenance. If so, then the neighborhood is not private property. Even if not, you, as a homeowner in the development have the right to give them permission to enter the neighborhood. Sounds like the Sheriff is just looking for an excuse to not follow-up on the issues.
I live in a small neighborhood and we almost gated it off. If we did that, the neighborhood would be responsible for sewer, lights and road maintenance. This is in Houston though, I don’t know if it different city by city.

In a side note, I checked out Beto’s website to check out his stance on issues. He is calling for an end of the “war on drugs”. Perhaps your LEO is a Beto fan? :evil2:
In our gated comunity, we are responsible for road maintenance, but not lights or storm drainage - in any event that is immaterial to the OP's question / issue. We do not maintain our own law enforcement (!), we call 911 and the Dallas Police respond appropriately according to the seriousness of the reported incident. Something appears to be fishy in Quitman.
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Post by Allons » Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:27 pm

Call the FBI field office. If they have that much traffic then they probably have enough over there for a federal charge.
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Post by bblhd672 » Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:53 pm

Allons wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:27 pm
Call the FBI field office. If they have that much traffic then they probably have enough over there for a federal charge.
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Post by jason812 » Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:07 pm

Any kids in the house? If not, gasoline and a match might work. Jk, maybe. :biggrinjester: I would definitely call dps or the rangers. No way I would want any fed alphabet agency running around my house. Sounds like the sheriff in our county growing up. Every election year there was always a major pot bust but no arrests. Almost as if he was in on it.

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