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Post by carlson1 » Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:15 pm

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2019/1 ... -in-sales/
... The report also noted that in a 25 year period between 1993 and 2017, the violent crime rate has dropped by 48.6 percent while firearms-related accidents have decreased by 68 percent.
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Post by 03Lightningrocks » Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:28 pm

Dumocraps love sighting fake polls to support more gun restrictions on legal citizens. I find it very hard to believe that with 423 million guns in the country, there is a majority in favor of gun restrictions.

One item mentioned in the article I found interesting and useful in a debate with anti gun nuts.
While O’Rourke characterized weapons like AR-15s, AK-47s and other semi-automatic rifles are “instruments of terror,” recent FBI statistics found individuals are more likely to be killed by blunt force weapons than by rifles.


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Post by Redneck_Buddha » Fri Dec 06, 2019 8:05 pm

Good for US!


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Post by flechero » Fri Dec 06, 2019 8:56 pm

I'm looking to help us hit 424M by Christmas! :lol:

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Post by 03Lightningrocks » Fri Dec 06, 2019 10:11 pm

flechero wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 8:56 pm
I'm looking to help us hit 424M by Christmas! :lol:
I am kind of proud to be a major part of the 8.1 billion rounds of ammo number. I could supply a regiment with ammo. Haha


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Post by DynamicDan » Sat Dec 07, 2019 12:11 am

I believe there are alot more than that.

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Post by rtschl » Sat Dec 07, 2019 1:12 am

DynamicDan wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 12:11 am
I believe there are alot more than that.
:iagree: - A whole lot more than that. :patriot:
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Post by anygunanywhere » Sat Dec 07, 2019 7:40 am

Low estimates.
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Post by Beiruty » Sat Dec 07, 2019 8:31 am

My only problem is storage space and security for the babies (aka as firearms)
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Post by flechero » Sat Dec 07, 2019 8:47 am

03Lightningrocks wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 10:11 pm
flechero wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 8:56 pm
I'm looking to help us hit 424M by Christmas! :lol:
I am kind of proud to be a major part of the 8.1 billion rounds of ammo number. I could supply a regiment with ammo. Haha
Ha! Me too, although by that number I'm still statistically irrelevant. :lol:

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Post by Excaliber » Sat Dec 07, 2019 8:50 am

The 8.1 billion round figure is also misleading.

That''s the number of rounds manufactured last year, and doesn't count stored rounds, which of course are impossible to count. There's a whole lot more ammo out there, and a lot more guns as well.
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Post by flechero » Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:02 am

Excaliber wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 8:50 am
The 8.1 billion round figure is also misleading.

That''s the number of rounds manufactured last year, and doesn't count stored rounds, which of course are impossible to count. There's a whole lot more ammo out there, and a lot more guns as well.
Great point... there are probably 10X those numbers stored in closets, bunkers and holes in the ground! :lol:

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Post by ELB » Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:33 am

flechero wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:02 am
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Great point... there are probably 10X those numbers stored in closets, bunkers and holes in the ground! :lol:
and don't forget lakes and ponds, along with their corresponding firearms... ;-)
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Post by Rafe » Sat Dec 07, 2019 11:52 am

Excaliber wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 8:50 am
The 8.1 billion round figure is also misleading.

That's the number of rounds manufactured last year, and doesn't count stored rounds, which of course are impossible to count. There's a whole lot more ammo out there, and a lot more guns as well.
Yep! And the firearms sales are all based on the BATF's Annual Firearms Manufacturing and Export Reports that FFLs fill out. The BATF Data & Statistics website is where you can look at the actual data that they publish.

So it's likely way under-reported from a practical perspective for both guns and ammo. How would they count people who reload...which is going to be a large segment of those of those who own the most guns? If I were to cast my own lead bullets and reload .45 cases, I could represent 500% or more of the per-capita ammo estimate without any of it ever showing up in retail sales at all. And you're right about stored ammo. I was so afraid of availability early in the Obama administration that I bought a slew of stuff in the handful of calibers I shoot. I still have a fair amount of that stored away and chip into it gradually for range days.

And the AFMER form only asks about what's actually classified as a gun, so I assume the Form 4473 fire-control part. My early Christmas present to myself was a nice new .223 Wylde barrel and the stuff to go with it to build a new upper. So that won't count as a firearm. As soon as I take off work for the holidays, that's my first day project. ;-)

And, yeah. I'm out of space in the safe, too. Man I hate to think about a new safe and putting it in the garage, but I may have to. Big expense. And if our buddy Bloomberg starts looking like the D'crat candidate, I'd expect a fresh surge of firearm price increases and ammo shortages again leading up to the election. Reminds me that I need to stock up on .22 CCI Mini-Mags anyway. Went long enough when I couldn't get those reasonably if at all. And to the point of tracking ammo commerce, there's just a tiny bit of difference in me buying a thousand rounds of .22LR and a thousand .338 Lapua Magnum...as in like $70 for the Mini-Mags and $5,000 for the .338.

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Post by Take Down Sicko » Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:17 am

The Democrats must be coconuts if they think they can pry 423m firearms from us. We have no duty to obey an unconstitutional law.

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