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Re: What to do when Obama wins?

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Post by iratollah » Tue Oct 14, 2008 11:45 pm

Liberty wrote:Most of the Communist outed under McCarthism were elitist acadamian types and not revolutionists. Many of the Communnist were folks who were affected by Hitlers Nazi party. To persecute people for what they believe and not for anything they have actually done is the true evil. Today these extreme leftist actually have positions of power and actually do thing which work to destroy our nation. Only difference is they have a difference is today they call themselves Progessives instead of Communist. Then we destroyed careers, today they are presidential Candidates and Speaker of the House. Back then they were idealistic acadamian joiners, Today they are actively destroying our nation.
Not sure I follow. Good on you for your comment that it's wrong to persecute people for what they believe. If someone does not love their government, it doesn't necessarily mean they don't love their country. The rest of your comments are confusing.

The Communist Party in the US was attracting more members during the 30's than during the 50's when McCarthy did his witch hunt. While some of the Nazi appeal was their staunch opposition to the communists, they were never an electoral majority in Germany. So what is the group that was affected by the Nazi's? Immigrants? Immigration to the US was heavily limited by quotas during the 30's. I thought most European immigrants of the 50's were staunch opponents of the communists and indeed some of the most proud Americans you could ask to meet. Can you please clarify?
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Re: What to do when Obama wins?

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Post by Jesse1911 » Wed Oct 15, 2008 7:31 pm

Obama will not take our guns away...http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/ ... xwod0xL1zA" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
at least that is what he has stated :headscratch he sounds real, should we beleive him. Yet he did not mention about taking away ammo from stores :lol:
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Re: What to do when Obama wins?

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Post by Jason73 » Wed Oct 15, 2008 8:36 pm

Jesse1911 wrote:Obama will not take our guns away...http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/ ... xwod0xL1zA" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
at least that is what he has stated :headscratch he sounds real, should we beleive him. Yet he did not mention about taking away ammo from stores :lol:

Please tell me your kidding, I mean seriously........ :shock:




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Re: What to do when Obama wins?

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Post by Russell Bear » Wed Oct 15, 2008 9:05 pm

Jason73 wrote:
Jesse1911 wrote:Obama will not take our guns away...http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/ ... xwod0xL1zA" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
at least that is what he has stated :headscratch he sounds real, should we beleive him. Yet he did not mention about taking away ammo from stores :lol:

Please tell me your kidding, I mean seriously........ :shock:




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Re: What to do when Obama wins?

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Post by phoneguy » Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:06 pm

[quote="Jesse1911"]Obama will not take our guns away...http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/ ... xwod0xL1zA" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


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Re: What to do when Obama wins?

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Post by Liberty » Thu Oct 16, 2008 6:58 am

iratollah wrote:
Liberty wrote:Most of the Communist outed under McCarthism were elitist acadamian types and not revolutionists. Many of the Communnist were folks who were affected by Hitlers Nazi party. To persecute people for what they believe and not for anything they have actually done is the true evil. Today these extreme leftist actually have positions of power and actually do thing which work to destroy our nation. Only difference is they have a difference is today they call themselves Progessives instead of Communist. Then we destroyed careers, today they are presidential Candidates and Speaker of the House. Back then they were idealistic acadamian joiners, Today they are actively destroying our nation.
Not sure I follow. Good on you for your comment that it's wrong to persecute people for what they believe. If someone does not love their government, it doesn't necessarily mean they don't love their country. The rest of your comments are confusing.

The Communist Party in the US was attracting more members during the 30's than during the 50's when McCarthy did his witch hunt. While some of the Nazi appeal was their staunch opposition to the communists, they were never an electoral majority in Germany. So what is the group that was affected by the Nazi's? Immigrants? Immigration to the US was heavily limited by quotas during the 30's. I thought most European immigrants of the 50's were staunch opponents of the communists and indeed some of the most proud Americans you could ask to meet. Can you please clarify?
Many of the immigrants of the 20s 30s and 40s were Jewish. Many of the the folks McCarthy persecuted were also Jewish.
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Re: What to do when Obama wins?

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Post by iratollah » Thu Oct 16, 2008 1:26 pm

Liberty wrote:Many of the immigrants of the 20s 30s and 40s were Jewish. Many of the the folks McCarthy persecuted were also Jewish.
What is the source for your numbers? Of the well over 5 million immigrants to the US between 1920-1944, only about 100,000 were Jewish. This is less than 2% of the total. Is this how you define many?

McCarthy focused on Hollywood and trade unions so it makes sense that Jews would be over represented in those groups. We well know that simply because McCarthy singled out folks for his persecution, it does not mean they were communist, yet your post seems to claim otherwise. Last time I checked, loyal Americans don't attempt to jail other Americans for having different political views.

At the same time that McCarthy was accusing Jews in America of being communist, the Jews in the Soviet Union were being harassed and jailed for being capitalist. In this country during the 1930s, Jews were disparaged for controlling business and for organizing the trade unions that were trying to undermine business. In each case, how can both sets of accusations be legitimate?

Please be careful Mr. Liberty that when attempting to stereotype others that you do not end up stereotyping yourself.

Back OT, no Jew in their right mind should support Obama, however as many Jews traditionally vote Democratic, likely too many will support the wrong candidate in this election. Texas Jews are much better represented in the Republican vote. McCain made a huge error in selecting Palin as his running mate as she has become the deal killer for some swing voters.
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Re: What to do when Obama wins?

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Post by stevie_d_64 » Thu Oct 16, 2008 1:58 pm

You want to make sure its all on the up and up...Go poll watch!!!

When the polls close at 7pm, make absolutely sure the end of the sign up line is manned and that no one steps into that line after 7pm...Make sure you have the numbers to the Secretary of state on your phone, and call in any irregularities you see to the appropriate (county) authorities...

That is actually the most critical time of the election day...I have been a precinct chairman and election judge for many years...

You'll feel better about this if you do...
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Re: What to do when Obama wins?

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Post by stevie_d_64 » Thu Oct 16, 2008 2:00 pm

Jesse1911 wrote:Obama will not take our guns away...http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/ ... xwod0xL1zA" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
at least that is what he has stated :headscratch he sounds real, should we beleive him. Yet he did not mention about taking away ammo from stores :lol:
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Re: What to do when Obama wins?

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Post by Liberty » Thu Oct 16, 2008 6:59 pm

iratollah wrote:
Liberty wrote:Many of the immigrants of the 20s 30s and 40s were Jewish. Many of the the folks McCarthy persecuted were also Jewish.
What is the source for your numbers? Of the well over 5 million immigrants to the US between 1920-1944, only about 100,000 were Jewish. This is less than 2% of the total. Is this how you define many?

McCarthy focused on Hollywood and trade unions so it makes sense that Jews would be over represented in those groups. We well know that simply because McCarthy singled out folks for his persecution, it does not mean they were communist, yet your post seems to claim otherwise. Last time I checked, loyal Americans don't attempt to jail other Americans for having different political views.

At the same time that McCarthy was accusing Jews in America of being communist, the Jews in the Soviet Union were being harassed and jailed for being capitalist. In this country during the 1930s, Jews were disparaged for controlling business and for organizing the trade unions that were trying to undermine business. In each case, how can both sets of accusations be legitimate?

Please be careful Mr. Liberty that when attempting to stereotype others that you do not end up stereotyping yourself.

Back OT, no Jew in their right mind should support Obama, however as many Jews traditionally vote Democratic, likely too many will support the wrong candidate in this election. Texas Jews are much better represented in the Republican vote. McCain made a huge error in selecting Palin as his running mate as she has become the deal killer for some swing voters.
I am also confused. I am not disparaging anyone other than McCarthy, or any group of people I was just noting that many of the Communist were Jewish, and in doing so was suggesting that perhaps the Joe McCarthy was trying to cleanse the nation of something other than just political differences. None of the people that McCarthy listed and persecuted were ever proven to have co-operated with the Russians. As I said before then we persecuted and blacklisted the leftist. Today we elect the leftist for president. Obama is as as much a socialist as Lenin ever was.
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Re: What to do when Obama wins?

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Post by iratollah » Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:50 pm

Liberty wrote:I am also confused. I am not disparaging anyone other than McCarthy, or any group of people
OK, I am no longer confused and thank you for the clarification.

I enjoy history and volunteer at a history museum. If we do not learn from history....well you know the rest.

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Re: What to do when Obama wins?

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Post by Lonestar 48 » Fri Oct 17, 2008 6:08 pm

Take a look at this...

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=TkS2BRoCd2I" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: What to do when Obama wins?

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Post by John » Fri Oct 17, 2008 6:32 pm

Lonestar 48 wrote:Take a look at this...

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=TkS2BRoCd2I" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

wow. I don't know what to say.
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Re: What to do when Obama wins?

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Post by Lonestar 48 » Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:15 pm

I talked to some folks from England when I was in Mexico last month and they are so bitter about their gun laws. One man I spoke to said that I couldn't imagine how vulnerable he feels since his pistols were taken away, yet the BG's can still get them. You can see in the video how easy it was for the government to do this, and the populace went along with it! It took 6 months in England, and I understand that in Australia, it took only 2 weeks.

Help our politicians in these last 2 weeks and volunteer. I received something in email from the Texas Republican committee asking for my time, either making calls or going door to door up until the elections. I signed up for a shift, and will sign up for more if they don't get the response needed.
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Re: What to do when Obama wins?

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Post by Skiprr » Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:54 pm

Lonestar 48 wrote:Help our politicians in these last 2 weeks and volunteer. I received something in email from the Texas Republican committee asking for my time, either making calls or going door to door up until the elections. I signed up for a shift, and will sign up for more if they don't get the response needed.
Thanks, Lonestar 48. You're a patriot, and I appreciate your efforts.

I've logged almost 1,500 calls (300 contacts) to date. I'm takin' a break; no calls from now until Monday.

From my very informal evaluation of those 300 contacts, Obama is leading the Greater Houston area by a wide margin.

I've heard some juicy words from Obama supporters when I identified myself as a Republican caller.


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