What to do when Obama wins?

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Re: What to do when Obama wins?

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Post by jdm » Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:34 pm

Sadly, if you created a resume for Palin and Obama, without reference to politcal party, political philosophy, race, or sex, Palin would be the better qualified choice for an executive position like the president. And that is the VP postion of the ticket vs the president position.


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Re: What to do when Obama wins?

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Post by iratollah » Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:15 pm

jdm wrote:if you created a resume for Palin and Obama...
Have you ever run a business? Would you hire anyone solely off their resume? Some people look better in person than on paper and vice versa.
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Re: What to do when Obama wins?

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Post by nitrogen » Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:27 pm

jdm wrote:Sadly, if you created a resume for Palin and Obama, without reference to politcal party, political philosophy, race, or sex, Palin would be the better qualified choice for an executive position like the president. And that is the VP postion of the ticket vs the president position.

She'd fail the interview, though.
I've interviewed plenty of people in the last 7 months with awesome resumes that just didn't measure up.

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Re: What to do when Obama wins?

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Post by jdm » Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:37 pm

After interviewing them in person, I am sure Obama would be hired over Palin as the best salesman or presenter. Is Obama someone you would hire over Palin to make the correct decisions to run a profitable private business? Has he ever run a profitable private business? He does a great job of getting the government and people to give him money, but that is more salesmanship and favor selling than business acumen.

This is all just talking though. Back to the subject relevant to this board. Obama is gonna win. He and Pelosi and the rest will eventually make it difficult or impossible to own, purchase, or carry firearms, ammunition, and ammunition supplies. It will happen, not as a first priority, but it will happen.

If, as a voter, you think you are punishing Bush, McCain, or the Republican party for the economy, bailout, "torture", or the Iraq war by voting for Obama, that is your right. But as someone who takes the time to read and post to these boards, you also need to take into account your interest in self defense and the shooting sports and weigh that against your "protest". The expression is "cutting off your nose to spite your face".


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Re: What to do when Obama wins?

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Post by tallmike » Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:48 pm

bdickens wrote:I just lost my respect for Colin Powell. He must have gone quite literally insane.
I still dont support obama, but seeing the powell endorsement made me think for a moment that maybe I missed something.

I respect the hell out of powell, and I hope never to close myself off to other ideas to the point that seeing an opposing view by someone I respect makes me lose respect for them instead of causing me to reevaluate my own positions. It doesnt mean I have to change my views to match theirs (or them to mine) but I am glad I am reasonable enough to at least stop and take another look at a different position.

Nobody knows everything, maybe I missed something along the way that the other person caught. I am always open to learn something new.


I saw the powell endorsement and I still went out and voted for Bob Barr so he didnt change my views, but he did give me a reason to reflect for a moment.

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Re: What to do when Obama wins?

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Post by nitrogen » Mon Oct 20, 2008 6:07 pm

jdm wrote:After interviewing them in person, I am sure Obama would be hired over Palin as the best salesman or presenter. Is Obama someone you would hire over Palin to make the correct decisions to run a profitable private business?
If the decisions were between the two, absolutely, Obama.

In a real world decision, I wouldn't hire either of them, and tell HR to get me more resumes.
I might even get some headhunters involved.
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Re: What to do when Obama wins?

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Post by iratollah » Mon Oct 20, 2008 6:11 pm

jdm wrote:If, as a voter, you think you are punishing Bush, McCain, or the Republican party for the economy, bailout, "torture", or the Iraq war by voting for Obama, that is your right.
Interesting perspective. I've never had any discussions where someone would vote for a specific candidate as 'punishment' toward a party or platform. If anyone actually did this, it may be possible to surmise that the vote for Bush was one of the most masochistic votes in history.

I abhor single issue voting (as well as straight ticket voting), Obama's 2A stance may indeed turn me into a single issue voter.

jdm, it appears that you've never run a business. You'd hire Obama as a salesman over Palin? Really? I guess it depends on what you're selling. Regardless, the position we're discussing isn't for salesman, so other attributes come into play. I did hear a highly regarded polysci professor suggest that we should have two presidents: one to look good for the cameras/press and one to run the country.
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Re: What to do when Obama wins?

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Post by bryang » Mon Oct 20, 2008 7:53 pm

KaiserB wrote:
bdickens wrote:I just lost my respect for Colin Powell. He must have gone quite literally insane.
:iagree: I used to think Colin Powell was a great leader...it is unfortunate he has turned into a political dope. The only motivation I can think of is his disdain for GWB.
:iagree: I guess we should have expected it, but I really didn't, not this late in the game, anyway.

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Re: What to do when Obama wins?

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Post by KBCraig » Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:32 am

The Colin Powell endorsement shouldn't be a surprise. From the very first time he acknowledge his party membership, he's claimed to be a "Rockefeller Republican". That's the same as saying "liberal country clubber".


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Re: What to do when Obama wins?

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Post by jdm » Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:33 pm

iratollah wrote:jdm, it appears that you've never run a business. You'd hire Obama as a salesman over Palin? Really? I guess it depends on what you're selling. Regardless, the position we're discussing isn't for salesman, so other attributes come into play. I did hear a highly regarded polysci professor suggest that we should have two presidents: one to look good for the cameras/press and one to run the country.
Obama can sell ice to Eskimos. He is the most politically left and liberal Senator, both in IL and in the US Congress. His thin record is consistent on anti-gun, pro-abortion, take from the rich and give to the poor.
One of his political patrons and sponsors is an unrepentant even 20 years later terrorist that attempted to kill Americans on American soil. He had a convicted felon swing a house deal for him and got away with it. With Obama's salesmanship and the help of the main stream media, most of America thinks of him as moderate.

Palin can be a cheerleader, and can certainly sell. Obama can look at the camera in the eye through the teleprompter and have you believe anything, no matter how inconsistent it is. Many lower class people truly think of him as a messenger from God.

Isn't the two president model the parlementary model? Russia has Mendelev to look pretty and Putin to be ugly and make the decisions. Maybe we already have that with Bush and Cheney...


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Re: What to do when Obama wins?

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Post by aardwolf » Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:46 pm

jdm wrote:Obama can sell ice to Eskimos.
There's no question about it. Obama is a very successful confidence man.
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Re: What to do when Obama wins?

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Post by anygunanywhere » Wed Oct 22, 2008 6:50 am

aardwolf wrote:
jdm wrote:Obama can sell ice to Eskimos.
There's no question about it. Obama is a very successful confidence man.
If he is elected the con-man turns extortionist.

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Re: What to do when Obama wins?

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Post by bryang » Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:12 am

The destruction of this country can be pinpointed in terms of its beginnings to the time that our political leadership turned to socialism. It was given deceptive names and adorned with fancy slogans. We heard about New Deals, and Fair Deals and New Frontiers and the Great Society.

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Re: What to do when Obama wins?

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Post by aardwolf » Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:30 pm

Houston, we have a problem!

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Re: What to do when Obama wins?

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Post by galvestonredneck » Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:46 pm

I am old enough to remember when Reagan ran aganist Carter in 1979. The "Polls" said the race was "neck and neck" and "to close to call"... These polls allways seem to favor the guy the PRESS wants to win!

I wouldn't write off John McCain yet.

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