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IN: Legislature dodges Constitutional Carry

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Post by ELB » Fri Jan 26, 2018 11:48 am

I've been following Indiana's efforts towards ConCarry via an Indiana forum, and it appears the ConCarry supporters just got blindsided.

The Indiana Legislature (meets yearly) established a "summer study" committee to evaluate ConCarry and make recommendations. As I understand it (large caveat) the main opposition (when testimony was taken) was from law enforcement. Several proConCarry/long time 2A advocates, including some lawyers, also testified. It appears the LE opposition was largely based on supposition that this provided cover for bad guys to carry and so forth, but without providing any actual examples. The pro ConCarry side testified that none of the states that already have Con Carry have a problem with this.

The summer study recommendations did not formally recommend ConCarry, just that restrictions be removed. (Keep in mind that Indiana has 4 year LTCH that does not qualify for a NICS check exemption when buying a firearm, and also has a lifetime LTCH. Fees for both are split between the State and local sheriffs). The Speaker of the House is believed to not be terribly 2A friendly, only allowing enough minimal pro-bills to pass to be able to say he did something. He has been quoted saying something like he doesn't see the point of ConCarry. There was a writing campaign to him about ConCarry going on since the summer study ended.

The chief proponent of ConCarry in the Indiana House introduced a bill to implement ConCarry. So did another representative who also happened to be the vice-chair of the public safety committee that would have to sign off on such a bill. On the face of it this looked promising, the bills were very similar. Probably not by chance the committee chair decided to consider his vice-chairman's bill, not the bill by the chief proponent, who was also on the public safety committee.

The vice-chair/author immediately introduced an amendment to his own bill that basically ripped out ConCarry and instead changed the 4-year LTCH to a 5 years, added NICS check to it so FFLs would have the option of accepting a LTCH in lieu of calling NICS, reduced the price of the LTCH (I think), and eventually makes the lifetime LTCH free. The vice-chair's amended bill was voted out of committee. The chief proponent's bill of course remains (dead) in committee and will not be considered.

So in retrospect it appears to observers that the Speaker and his committee chair and vice-chair arranged behind the scenes to kill ConCarry via the committee process. And succeeded. I believe the free lifetime LTCH and the 5-year LTCH with NICS exemption will pass, thus providing some 2A cred, but constitutional carry is dead for this legislature.
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Re: IN: Legislature dodges Constitutional Carry

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Post by anygunanywhere » Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:20 pm

Bad guys carry no matter what the laws are. The excuse that bad guys will carry is irrelevant to any discussion about eliminating restrictions for the law abiding.
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Re: IN: Legislature dodges Constitutional Carry

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Post by montgomery » Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:28 pm

Just curious, how is this relevant to Texas?

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Post by ELB » Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:20 pm

montgomery wrote:Just curious, how is this relevant to Texas?
Any 2A advance...or setback...especially related to where we can carry and how, is relevant to Texas. I would suppose that's why we have a subforum devoted to Other States.
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Re: IN: Legislature dodges Constitutional Carry

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Post by tool4daman » Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:22 pm

Montgomery- you do realize this is posted in the “other states”forum, don’t you?
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Re: IN: Legislature dodges Constitutional Carry

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Post by tool4daman » Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:24 pm

ELB wrote:
montgomery wrote:Just curious, how is this relevant to Texas?
Any 2A advance...or setback...especially related to where we can carry and how, is relevant to Texas. I would suppose that's why we have a subforum devoted to Other States.
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Post by montgomery » Sun Jan 28, 2018 3:34 pm

tool4daman wrote:Montgomery- you do realize this is posted in the “other states”forum, don’t you?
sorry - did not realize that. thanks for pointing that out.

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Post by The Annoyed Man » Sun Jan 28, 2018 10:27 pm

ELB wrote:
montgomery wrote:Just curious, how is this relevant to Texas?
Any 2A advance...or setback...especially related to where we can carry and how, is relevant to Texas. I would suppose that's why we have a subforum devoted to Other States.
Bazinga! :lol:

I’ll add to ELB’s reply.... It’s not just about celebrating advances in other states. We have to remember that, unfortunately, Texas does not always lead the way when it comes to advances in firearms rights. Texas was not the first state to create licensed concealed carry. It was FAR from the first state to create licensed open carry. We are not the first state to have campus carry. There are other states that have had Constitutional Carry for years now, and yet our own legislature can’t summon the political will to do the same.....yet. This is not an indictment of Texas, but it IS a statement of fact. So the importance of 2nd Amendment successes in other states - particularly in areas of the law that WE have not yet been able to pass for ourselves - is that we gain a record of proof that these successes do not result in the leftists’ dire warnings of blood running in the streets, and it gets easier and easier for us to get similar laws passed here. We have open carry because other states went before us and destroyed the leftist myths. We have campus carry because other states went before us and destroyed the leftist myths. We have licensed concealed carry because other states went before us and destroyed the leftist myths. Their good fortune is often our good fortune.....eventually. It is partly due to the record of successes in other states that Texan 2nd Amendment champions like Charles L. Cotton have been able to convince our legislature that these things are not only desirable, but feasible. So it IS a big deal when other states have 2nd Amendment victories, and we should celebrate them wherever they occur.
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Re: IN: Legislature dodges Constitutional Carry

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Post by montgomery » Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:51 am

The Annoyed Man wrote:
ELB wrote:
montgomery wrote:Just curious, how is this relevant to Texas?
Any 2A advance...or setback...especially related to where we can carry and how, is relevant to Texas. I would suppose that's why we have a subforum devoted to Other States.
Bazinga! :lol:

I’ll add to ELB’s reply.... It’s not just about celebrating advances in other states. We have to remember that, unfortunately, Texas does not always lead the way when it comes to advances in firearms rights. Texas was not the first state to create licensed concealed carry. It was FAR from the first state to create licensed open carry. We are not the first state to have campus carry. There are other states that have had Constitutional Carry for years now, and yet our own legislature can’t summon the political will to do the same.....yet. This is not an indictment of Texas, but it IS a statement of fact. So the importance of 2nd Amendment successes in other states - particularly in areas of the law that WE have not yet been able to pass for ourselves - is that we gain a record of proof that these successes do not result in the leftists’ dire warnings of blood running in the streets, and it gets easier and easier for us to get similar laws passed here. We have open carry because other states went before us and destroyed the leftist myths. We have campus carry because other states went before us and destroyed the leftist myths. We have licensed concealed carry because other states went before us and destroyed the leftist myths. Their good fortune is often our good fortune.....eventually. It is partly due to the record of successes in other states that Texan 2nd Amendment champions like Charles L. Cotton have been able to convince our legislature that these things are not only desirable, but feasible. So it IS a big deal when other states have 2nd Amendment victories, and we should celebrate them wherever they occur.
Purpose is informational awareness. Got it. Thanks for the clarification. Much appreciated.

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